Rollcall and Rules...

[DarkCloud]

Rollcall...

This is a rollcall for the Chiron Chronicles.
As a split GM with [Lord LMP] I will list who is playing right now. We will redo faction claims, however those who originally made the claims will have first dibs on their old claims.

The Count So Far:

Dark Cloud - University
Lord LMP - Nautilus Pirates
XWaste - Cybernetic Conciousness
Cyber - Spartans
Argonaut - Data Angels
Googlie - Morganites
Christantine the Great- (Planetmind)
TheDiplomat - Peacekeepers
Rural Ranger- Gaians

Inactive (In Extremis)
Light Ening - (Planetmind) *Taken
Raging Mouse- Human Hive
Lonestar - Peacekeepers *Taken
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[DarkCloud]

Rules:

Higher Goal - Transcendence Victory - Allowed
Total War - Conquest Victory - Allowed
Peace in our Time - Diplomatic Victory - Allowed
Mine, All Mine - Economic Victory - Allowed
One for All - Cooperative Victory - Allowed
Do or Die - Restart Allowed if Freed
Factions - Allowed
Look First - Flexible Start Location - Disallowed
Tech Stagnation - Slower Discovery Rate - Disallowed
Spoils of War - Steal Tech when you Conquer Enemy Bases - Allowed
Blind Research - Can't Choose Your Techs - Disallowed
Intense Rivalry - Everyone Hates You - Disallowed
No Unity Survey - Map not visible - Disallowed
No Unity Scattering - Pods Only at Landing Site - Disallowed
Bell Curve - No Random Events - Disallowed
Time Warp - Accelerated Start - Disallowed
Randomize faction leader personalities - Allowed
Randomize faction leader social agendas - Disallowed

Disallowed means it cannot be used in the game and Allowed means it can be.

* Your faction can pick any two level one technologies.
-Applied Physics (Conquer 1)
-Biogenetics (Discover 1)
-Centauri Ecology (Explore 1)
-Doctrine: Mobility (Explore 1)
-Industrial Base (Build 1)
-Information Networks (Discover 1)
-Social Psych (Build 1)

* Mindworms count as a faction
* You can write however you wish but newspaper writing will be the standard accepted.

*Bonuses per faction:
Believers (Army) +2 Units
Gaians (Army) +1 Unit
Morganites (Economy)
University (Research) +1 Level 1 Tech
Peacekeepers (Society) +20,000 people
Hive (Army) +2 Units
Spartans (Army) +3 Units
Data Angels (Research) +1 Level 1 Tech
Cyborgs (Researcy) +1 Level 2 Tech
Pirates (Army) +4 Sea Units

*Distribute a population of 200,000 among as many cities as you wish.

*Data Angels recently broke off, all other Alen Crossfire factions are as yet unknown to the main factions.

*Any other needed rules can be asked.

-DarkCloud of the University
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[DarkCloud]

Timeline

-Each (real-time) day equals 2 weeks.

-The game will start September 10, or when at least 5 players have confirmed play.

-People can join at any time if accepted by Myself and the other moderator, Lord LMP
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[DarkCloud]

-Space Reserved...
(PRINCE OF POSTS)
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[DarkCloud]

The map used will be the standard map of planet if someone can post it somewhere. If no one has the map, then I have an excellent idea for a map I can post on a webpage.

[XWaste]

I had picked the Cybernetic Consciousness

[quote]Originally posted by DarkCloud on 09-07-2000 09:47 PM
Rollcall...

This is a rollcall for the Chiron Chronicles.
As a split GM with ??? I will list who is playing right now. We will redo faction claims, however those who originally made the claims will have first dibs on their old claims.

Yes, me volunteer I have enough time for it

-LordLMP

[XWaste]

Some questions
one day = 2 weeks Are we going to use a separate Chiron calander or our own?

How strictly are we going to adhere to the game mechanics - again considering time, with 52 (earth) weeks to a year, it is going to take 26 days to go through a mission year, which is going to make for slow progress if we can only achieve in the 26 days what we can do in ONE game turn...perhaps each day(two weeks) could be treated like a turn.


More about game mechanics from an earlier post of LordLMP (I don't know how to do those fancy pull quote thingies)
Anyway, we would have to keep score of money, and so on of the choosen faction?
Would we operate like the game or can we do things where the game doesn't give the option too? like guerilla warfare, resistances in conquered bases, establish outposts, landmines/seamines, secret bases, and so on?
How will units divised? like in Spartans Chronicles...one Needlejet unit in the game represents one needlejet (way i see it) and in Alien Crossfire, one Needlejet unit is one squadron worth of needlejets in the story. How about infantry? will it be size up into Regiments, Divisions, platoons or whatever per unit? What about Secret projects? one unrealistic thing about SPs in the game is that, what stops the other faction trying to build their own version of the SP already built in another faction? realisticly, what stops another faction to have a Command Nexus aswell? a Marine place, Cloud Academy? Space Elevator? and so on?

Are we going to post EVERYTHING, or only the most important things which are helping to drive the story? Should we work out what has to be posted and what should be reported (secretly?) to the GM's - bearing in mind the more we have to report the more work it will be for the GM's


I pretty much have the idea that this will basically be a game of fiction, not a fictional representation of a proper SMACX game - but we need to work out what parts we need to specify throughout the game (like pop, seeing as we all have a starting pop, and techs as well) and what we can make generalisations about, and take some liberties with in order to prodeuce a good, fun and also believable story.

Hope I'm not being too pedantic.

[XWaste]

I had picked the CC, but maybe we should fill the original factions first, seeing as they all exist. I'll swap to whatever of the original seven are left if not all of them get claimed by the time we start...if we think we need them.

[quote]Originally posted by DarkCloud on 09-07-2000 09:56 PM
Rules:

Higher Goal - Transcendence Victory - Allowed
Total War - Conquest Victory - Allowed
Peace in our Time - Diplomatic Victory - Allowed
Mine, All Mine - Economic Victory - Disallowed
One for All - Cooperative Victory - Allowed
Do or Die - No Restart for Conquered Factions - Allowed
Look First - Flexible Start Location - Disallowed
Tech Stagnation - Slower Discovery Rate - Disallowed
Spoils of War - Steal Tech when you Conquer Enemy Bases - Allowed
Blind Research - Can't Choose Your Techs - Disallowed
Intense Rivalry - Everyone Hates You - Disallowed
No Unity Survey - Map not visible - Disallowed
No Unity Scattering - Pods Only at Landing Site - Disallowed
Bell Curve - No Random Events - Disallowed
Time Warp - Accelerated Start - Disallowed
Randomize faction leader personalities - Allowed
Randomize faction leader social agendas - Disallowed

Disallowed means it cannot be used in the game and Allowed means it can be.

Well, technicly, we are starting out like Time Warp :P just not random. What year shall we start? 2118 still?


* Your faction can pick any two level one technologies.
-Applied Physics (Conquer 1)
-Biogenetics (Discover 1)
-Centauri Ecology (Explore 1)
-Doctrine: Mobility (Explore 1)
-Industrial Base (Build 1)
-Information Networks (Discover 1)
-Social Psych (Build 1)

whoa there, some factions start out with those techs in the game, so should already have it? Anyway, maybe list factions and their starting tech and two player choices.

* Mindworms count as a faction
* You can write however you wish but newspaper writing will be the standard accepted.

*Bonuses per faction:
Believers (Army) +2 Units
Gaians (Army) +1 Unit
Morganites (Economy)
University (Research) +1 Level 1 Tech
Peacekeepers (Society) +20,000 people
Hive (Army) +2 Units
Spartans (Army) +3 Units

What about Nautilus Pirates? :P They landed in a Sea Pod, which makes the only Crossfire faction to come directly from the ship. They existed since planetfall and still no discovered, since they are alone in the waters at the beginning :P

*Distribute a population of 200,000 among as many cities as you wish.

Isn't that 20 people icons? what about 10? Again, what year are we starting from? 2118 still? Also, may be different for each faction, depending on their bonus...or whatever. Also, base on a factions expansion behaviour...which can be base a bit on what the AI does in the game... Anyway, I don't think i will have a fully gamelike detailed map transfered to gif, but i have with a simple overall map and mark the various landmarks. We will use a Large PlanetX map?
be easier for land claims and can just give the coordinates or whatever for capital and then work from there. I will update the map and transfer it in a overall way and post it on the net... of course, i have no website...maybe create a dummy Hotmail account for everyone to be able to get to and check updates? or whatever.

*Data Angels recently broke off, all other Alen Crossfire factions are as yet unknown.

Nautilus Pirates is already a independent faction since the start and still not discovered.
Aliens can show up whenever when we get a player for each i guess. Free Drones can start out by breaking off from the Hive, Cult starting out and been existing for couple of years let say and Cyber Consciousness been on their for about 5-10 years already. Of course, all depends really on when we start the game i guess, i am basing it on 2118. We should start out around 2-4 bases, depending on the factions and so on, distribute population from there.


*The first planetary governor council has recently covened and Brother Lal has won over Yang and Zakharov.

Maybe we should wait a bit before the first Planetary Council since some original factions won't be in contact yet, especially when they don't have Foils yet or have not found a comm Unity Pod or have got comm from another faction. Any Original Faction should be in contact with all of teh Original Faction before having a Planetary Council. Crossfire factions may join later on i guess, when they are more known among the factions and identify as independents or whatever.

*Any other needed rules can be asked

-LordLMP

The University

50% Research
40% Economy
10% Psych

Nautilus Pirates

50% Research
40% Economy
10% Psych


Oh, 50% research will get you one new tech a week, 40% new tech each two weeks, 30 three weeks and so on.

-LordLMP

[Ari Rahikkala]

Planetflower, planetworm, planetmind hear humans! We are in!

(Note: As quite inactive, at least in the beginning. You know about the planet...)

[DarkCloud]

Anyway, we would have to keep score of money, and so on of the choosen faction?
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Not necessarily. The projects will never be rush-build nor will units. The only time money should come into play in the game is when we are determining whether a faction should bribe another or go into debt.
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Would we operate like the game or can we do things where the game doesn't give the option too? like guerilla warfare, resistances in conquered bases, establish outposts, landmines/seamines, secret bases, and so on?

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Of course.
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How will units divised? like in Spartans Chronicles...one Needlejet unit in the game represents one needlejet

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One needlejet is worth a regiment of needlejets, or 500, whichever is more practical.


How about infantry?

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It works teh same as the needlejet question.
However people are recruited from cities and the population goes down as a consequence.
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one unrealistic thing about SPs in the game is that, what stops the other faction trying to build their own version of the SP already built in another faction? realisticly, what stops another faction to have a Command Nexus aswell? a Marine place, Cloud Academy? Space Elevator? and so on?

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Factions can have those, however they must announce to all the other factions, as in the games that they are building them; unless of course they are Yang or Miriam in which case the wonders are secret until built. (BONUS)
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All factions have the same starting population; 200,000 it may seem high but it will let the game get into action much quicker.
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The game year is 2118 AD or PY 18.
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If not enough people sign up people can double up (For a while) on factions.

No the factions will only start out with those which they have chosen.

-I 'could' start up a website if it is 'truly' needed.
I have the webspace, but not possibly the time. However if a webpage is needed I can make it.

Okay, planetary governor council has *NOT* convened.
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One needlejet is worth a regiment of needlejets, or 500, whichever is more practical.
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regiment? how big is a regiment anyway? 500 can be seperated into 40-50 NeedleJet Units :P

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It works teh same as the needlejet question.
However people are recruited from cities and the population goes down as a consequence.
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Of course, depends how much recruiting your doing.

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Factions can have those, however they must announce to all the other factions, as in the games that they are building them; unless of course they are Yang or Miriam in which case the wonders are secret until built. (BONUS)
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Of course, only when we are in contact :P and also have hacked their datalinks

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All factions have the same starting population; 200,000 it may seem high but it will let the game get into action much quicker.
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Yes, so can say Unity actually brought about 1 million colonists to Alpha Centauri? and the crossfire factions that broke off may start with a smaller population?

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-I 'could' start up a website if it is 'truly' needed.
I have the webspace, but not possibly the time. However if a webpage is needed I can make it.
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hmm, maybe just make something simple where we can acquire latest updated map and so on?


-LordLMP

Okay now, base on the Large PlanetX map, lets start the land claim. We'll first place your factions Capital... just give me an area (using the landmarks) or/and simple tell me the coordinates of the square

If a faction asn't been taking, moderators will defaultly position them.

Suggestions: have the broke off crossfire factions not very far from the original faction they broke off from.
i dunno, makes more sence....but its the players decision.

-LordLMP

[DarkCloud]

The University, Morganites and Data Angels 'should' be in the area of Pholus Ridge, The Ruins, Sea of Chiron, Great Marine Rift.

Below them in the Freshwater Sea and Howling Straits.

I have the Prima Games map so if you name a landmass I will know aobut where you started.

University Base- Pop 120,000 is located near The Ruins
South of it is University Research Station- Pop 60,000 and East of University Base is- Outpost 01- Pop 20,000

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The Crossfire factions have a starting population of 100,000 each.

[XWaste]

...The University, Morganites and Data Angels 'should' be in the area of Pholus Ridge, The Ruins, Sea of Chiron, Great Marine Rift...
Should? Is this based on the the story 'arrival'? (from firaxis) Because if it is, I got the impression that the university discovered the manifold nexus, not the ruins.

We don't have to stick to the story though.

If people want to stick to the story then these notes might be helpful

the peacekeepers and the spartans start on one continent, separate from the others, and are at war.

the university, believers and gaians (at least) start on the continent with the manifold nexus, with the believers probably between the two others. Guesses are that the gaians start in that fertile area SW of the uranium flats and the university probably starts on the eastern side of the garland crater. I would say miriam has at least some territory along the south coast of landing bay.

The morganites and hive could also be crammed on this continent, but I think they are south on the land mass with the fresh water sea. The hive is near the unity wreckage, and either northwards up the pholus ridge, or down on the western side of the fresh water sea. Morgan is on the other side, maybe as far east as to be under the mouth of hercules and straits of prometheus.

who breaks from who

pirates - morgan (part of M's fleet, break away once they attack uni ship going from MN to uni base near garland)
data angels - morgan
cult of planet - gaians
drones - many say hive but though foreman domai may have been hive, they are ammassed of disgruntled drones from all the factions.
CC - hive (hive download a salvaged memory unit which contains zeta five, who then creates her followers from hive dead)

Anyway, we dont have to stick to the official line

[XWaste]

DarkCloud - if that's the map from the Prima SMAC guide, keep in mind it doesn't have the xfire landmarks, and is also the standard size map, not huge (little difference, but there is some)

[XWaste]

CC

50% - labs
50% - economy

...The University, Morganites and Data Angels 'should' be in the area of Pholus Ridge, The Ruins, Sea of Chiron, Great Marine Rift...
Should? Is this based on the the story 'arrival'? (from firaxis) Because if it is, I got the impression that the university discovered the manifold nexus, not the ruins.

Way i see it, University and the Morganites are neighbours...not side by side yet, but will when territory expands... Data Angels splits off not very far away from the two....

We don't have to stick to the story though.

we can, just modify it a bit.

If people want to stick to the story then these notes might be helpful

the peacekeepers and the spartans start on one continent, separate from the others, and are at war.

in Arrival, spartans had Tanks and there was NeedleJets, no? Anyway, them neighbours is good too, but hive maybe not very far away from peacekeepers....

the university, believers and gaians (at least) start on the continent with the manifold nexus, with the believers probably between the two others. Guesses are that the gaians start in that fertile area SW of the uranium flats and the university probably starts on the eastern side of the garland crater. I would say miriam has at least some territory along the south coast of landing bay.

Ain't the Gains around the ruins area?

The morganites and hive could also be crammed on this continent, but I think they are south on the land mass with the fresh water sea. The hive is near the unity wreckage, and either northwards up the pholus ridge, or down on the western side of the fresh water sea. Morgan is on the other side, maybe as far east as to be under the mouth of hercules and straits of prometheus.

who breaks from who

pirates - morgan (part of M's fleet, break away once they attack uni ship going from MN to uni base near garland

Thought they landed in a Sea pod?


Anyway, let me do a draft and will send to all who have replied to the roll call, also ones that asks and tell me what you think. Will have in AX map file and world view on gif/jpg (where i can easily change colors for crossfire bases...

-LordLMP

[Cyber]

Got any space (or patience) for new players?I got the impression that is somekind of roleplaying game based on smac,just the basic rules are a unclear to me.So,
could anybody explain me how this game is played?

[XWaste]

Cyber: YES...JOIN!!!
Read through this thread to get some basic ideas - there aren't a whole heap of set in concrete rules, basically you adopt a faction and then report what your faction does through media broadcasts like newspaper articles, etc (use your imagination).
I guess the main focus in the game is diplomacy, so you have to be aware of how your faction interacts with the others.
DarkCloud and LordLMP are the GM's, so they will tell you if anything is unacceptable, as well as presenting random events that you will have to respond to.
The idea for this game came from a something called world 2000 (I think) so you can check out how it worked here World 2000: http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum19/H...tml?date=03:38

If you are new to smacx then I suggest reading the two stories 'journey' and 'arrival' which you can get from the firaxis smac website. This will give you a good feeling for the different faction leaders and sets the groundwork for the story which this game will be (loosely) based on.

So pick a faction and join in.

[DarkCloud]

No, I hope we do NOT use the official story any further than when talking about which faction splits off from whom.

Hopefully everyone will decide on their own where they want their faction to start.
If LMP wishes for them to do that then it is okay, otherwise LMP and Myself will choose where the other factions start.

but for now the University is in the farthest north, then the Morganites/Data Angels.

All else is undecided in geography as of yet.

Okay Cyber, which faction would you wish to choose?

There are two stories for Ulrki's Pirates faction.
1. Seapod
2. Breakoff from Morgan

The seapod one is more tangible I suppose for the year we are starting in.

ok, so University, Morgans and Data Angels in same continent as the The Ruins and Pholus Ridge?

Yes, rather pirates got to planet in a sea pod. Data Angels from Morgans, some followers from University.... Free Drones from Hive...some followers from other places....Cult from the Gaians, maybe some followers from other places.

Anyway, as pirates, first faction that as a navy and no other faction knows of their existance yet.....until later on when they start having ships of their owns and get them stolan

-LordLMP

[Cyber]

I´ll be with the Spartans.Could you explain me, who and how will decide the overcome of a battle?

Spartans

Labs 50%
Economy 50%


So whats up with the map situation?

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Well, if you want to attack someone, just write a newsflash or whatever that the Spartans are attacking the Peacekeepers with this sort of units, from where, how they are attacking, tactics, strategy and so on.

Player (or GM if no one is currently playing Peacekeepers) will post a defence or whatever

something like that.

DarkCloud, what do you think?
Also follow the examples of battles situations in World 2000 thing. Especially the India taking Tibet from China and the situation thing at Panama Canal and so on.

-LordLMP


-LordLMP

[DarkCloud]

Hmmm... The war formula will be decided on a few factors.

One thing which I believe should be required is for you to write in a post what your faction is producing, in a seperate forum in each of your cities. It will take x number of turns to produce each thing.

Remember we do not want it to be too complicated so if that seems to complicated perhaps we should just make it whatever the author wants his forces to do (within reason)

P.S. I believe the game should start tommorrow, what do you think [Lord LMP], are you for starting it the 13th, if so please create a topic for it.

Remember Players can STILL join.

-D.C.

[XWaste]

...One thing which I believe should be required is for you to write in a post what your faction is producing, in a seperate forum in each of your cities. It will take x number of turns to produce each thing...

Wouldn't it be better just to post when something is complete - after all, the opening of a new facility would be a newsworthy event. The moderators could determine if someone is building too quickly.

regarding turns - is a turn a (real) day, or a game turn (one mission year, which will take 26 days to complete)

battle resolutions - the way I see it, when attacking a weak force with a strong one you can probably quite confidantly write a victory article. When the forces are more evenly matched then you should probably write an account of the battle plans, giving time for a defence plan to be written by the other faction. The moderators should then decide the outcome.

Should we start without a map - I don't have a start position yet.

[DarkCloud]

Each (real) day is equal to three weeks.

What your faction is producing should be required in a seperate post. (it will take x turns)

the rest of the ideas are good.

Postitions:

University,Data Angels/Morganites/Peacekeepers all on one continent in that order.

In the sea are the Pirates
Across the sea are the Spartans/Hive/Cybernetic/Free Drones

How about University/Data Angels/Cybernetic/Morgan on the same continent...thinking maybe the middle continent, with the Uranium Flat and the Manifold Nexus.

Spartans/Hive/Peacekeepers/Free Drones on one continent...one with the Mongoon Jungle, Desert.

Then Gaians/Believers/Cult on the western continent which haves The Ruins and Freshwater Sea. For the Pirates, in some sea.

Agree all? makes more sence to me Makes up nice combos and the split off factions are on the same continent as the faction they split off from.

I know cybernetic may of been discovered by the Hive in Arrival, but like Dark Cloud says, we are not basing on the story and Hive won't be situated on the continent with the wreckage Can say Zak brought Alpha with him and she broke off with other borgs that been experimented on.
better to have the Peacekeepers with the Spartans and Hive what a nice interesting place it will be

-LordLMP