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This was one great film.
The first X-Men film was interesting, but it didn't really captivate me. I didn't bother seeing Spiderman or Daredevil. The CGI effects in those films looked to be over done from what I witnessed in the trailers. I hate Lucas' dependance on CGI, so the thought of seeing Spiderman and his nemesis as pure CGI action was a major turn-off.
X-Men 2 didn't abuse CGI. The fight between Wolverine and Lady Deathstrike took 3 weeks to film! That's what I pay money to see, not some dumb unrealistic animated Spiderman flying through the air.
The continuity from the first film had me instantly involved. It had a serial kind of feel, like Star Wars which is what I always hope from any sequel.
The characters in X-Men 2 were interesting. Every single one of them. And what a cast to represent them! Most films just have one babe, but with Halle Berry, Famke Janssen, Anna Paquin and Rebecca Romijn-Stamos as the shapely Mystique, this film was a feast for the eyes.
*spoiler*
But what really set this movie apart for me - what put it miles above any super hero film I have seen since the second Superman - was the escape of Magneto. I saw a thread here recently that claimed Magneto was weak and lame. I couldn't disagree more. His escape from his plastic gaol was as satisfying as Hannibal Lecter's great escape in Silence of the Lambs. Bryan Singer obviously drew inspiration from that film. Seeing Magneto manipulating that liquid metal, hovering over the gulf like a transcendant god - it was simply superb. Not since Superman II when Superman crushed the hand of General Zod has a previously impotent character made such a dramatic comeback.
The climax was the icing on the cake. Just when I thought the film was over, it kept unfolding like the waves rushing from the bursting dam.
Most good films totally capture my attention. I am immersed in the fantasy world presented to me, and when the film ends, I come back to myself with mild shock and disappointment. Bad films fail to do this, and I look around the darkened theatre, look at my watch, and check the aisles to see if I can make an easy get away. But truly great films have me looking at my watch, hoping the film will never end. That is what X-Men 2 did for me.
FANTASTIC MOVIE.
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May 4, 2003, 00:17
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I didn't notice those two. Good catch! However, you should be ashamed to have missed Jaime Maddox.
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Damn! Where?
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He was a very powerful (read: omnipotent) mutant until he lost his powers. Who did you think was responsible for the Heroes Reborn episode?
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Shush! Help me out here! 
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May 4, 2003, 00:19
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Isn't Franklin Richards=Mr. Fantastic?
Thanks, Dino. I almost took that bet.
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May 4, 2003, 00:23
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Damn! Where?
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Stryker has a file on him. You see his name on the screen when Mystique is going through his computer. Don't feel to bad. I missed it the first time I saw the movie.
PS How do you think they'll handle the Pheonix? Rip off the Ultimate X-Men version of the story the sameway they did God Loves, Man Kills or something else?
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May 4, 2003, 00:25
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Originally posted by Frankychan
Isn't Franklin Richards=Mr. Fantastic?
Thanks, Dino. I almost took that bet.
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Way to Bravo-foxtrot a fellow AECCP member Dinodoc!
Reed Richards is Mister Fantastic
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And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worth while, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: "I served in the United States Navy!"
"Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I ****ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective." --Barack Obama
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May 4, 2003, 00:27
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Originally posted by Lonestar
Way to Bravo-foxtrot a fellow AECCP member Dinodoc!
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Sorry. 
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May 4, 2003, 00:30
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
PS How do you think they'll handle the Pheonix? Rip off the Ultimate X-Men version of the story the sameway they did God Loves, Man Kills or something else?
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who say the God loves, Man kills connection.
I think they'll do it with the UXM, after all, they did have Sebastian Shaw...
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And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worth while, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: "I served in the United States Navy!"
"Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I ****ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective." --Barack Obama
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May 4, 2003, 00:34
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  Whoops, got the two mixed up. 
Then who is this 'Franklin'?
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May 4, 2003, 00:36
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Reed's kid.
Which means the Fantastic Four are indeed in the X-men movieverse.
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With such viral bias, you're opinion is thus rendered useless. -Shrapnel12, on my "bias" against the SS.
And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worth while, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: "I served in the United States Navy!"
"Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I ****ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective." --Barack Obama
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May 4, 2003, 00:36
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Originally posted by Lonestar
I'm glad I'm not the only one who say the God loves, Man kills connection.
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Anyone who has read Wizard's coverage of the movie and saw the name Stryker would notice the connection.
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May 4, 2003, 00:39
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Anyone who has read Wizard's coverage of the movie and saw the name Stryker would notice the connection.
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Read whozeewha?
(okay, okay, I did)
I liked Magneto in this movie. Of course, he helped the X-men, but at the end it showed he was essentially the same as Stryker.
And the President is a frickin' Mutant! Whiskey-tango-foxtrot?
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With such viral bias, you're opinion is thus rendered useless. -Shrapnel12, on my "bias" against the SS.
And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worth while, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: "I served in the United States Navy!"
"Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I ****ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective." --Barack Obama
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May 4, 2003, 00:40
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Dammit! and I have the graphic novel "Doom" where he's in it too. Ya know, the one where Doom gets trapped on Planet Doom and has to get back....
And little Franklin Richards pesters the good doctor through most of the comic book, directly and indirectly. 
I don't know that much about Franklin except he's Invisible and Mr. Fantastics kid. 
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May 4, 2003, 03:59
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They left quite a few older X-Men characters out of the first movie - there was no White Queen, Boomerang, or Juggernaut. 
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May 4, 2003, 04:00
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Originally posted by Lonestar
And the President is a frickin' Mutant! Whiskey-tango-foxtrot?
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The President isn't a mutant. You saw him writhing in agony when Professor X was attempting to kill all the humans.
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May 4, 2003, 13:49
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The President isn't a mutant. You saw him writhing in agony when Professor X was attempting to kill all the humans.
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He wasn't writhering like his protective detail. He had the look of someone who just had the crap scared outta them.
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With such viral bias, you're opinion is thus rendered useless. -Shrapnel12, on my "bias" against the SS.
And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worth while, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: "I served in the United States Navy!"
"Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I ****ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective." --Barack Obama
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May 4, 2003, 14:06
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
i suspect that jason, the illusionist, is supposed to be mastermind...
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IIRC, Jason is Mutant X, Moira's son. (Haven't read X-men in 17 years, so maybe he has a name now).
Stryker is a reworking of Rev. Stryker from the Graphic novel. X2, in large part, is the same major story as the X-men graphic novel, with Stryker using Professor X as a weapon to kill all mutants and latent mutants. Sen. Kelly begins hemoraging in the graphic novel.
Seeing this movie made me remember how much the X-men influenced me growing up. At a point when the religious right was growing ever more scary, trying to tell people what they couldn't do, what they had to do, who they were allowed or not allowed to be, the X-men resonated with me in a big way, especially as a picked-on kid.
Storm seems to have lost her accent and Colossus never had one. Oh well. I don't care so much that they take liberaties with the story, because they do it very well.
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May 4, 2003, 14:11
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I didn't get the Prez being a mutie. He looked like a man in dying in pain. Each person responds in their own way, you know.
As for Magneto's switching things on the Professor. I see it less as him being the same as Stryker as opposed to him creating a diversion so that he could have time to escape while the X-men dealt with stopping the Professor.
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May 4, 2003, 14:24
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Of course, he helped the X-men, but at the end it showed he was essentially the same as Stryker.
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They are essentially two sides of the same coin. Of course they are going to be presented similarly.
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May 4, 2003, 14:40
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Magneto is an Israeli, you know.
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May 4, 2003, 14:43
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Magneto is an Israeli, you know.
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He's also not exactly shy about genocide.
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May 4, 2003, 15:01
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he's an angry little boy. that's why.
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May 4, 2003, 15:01
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Great movie! I love the scene when Stryker's forces attack the school. Wolverine was a freakin' badass.
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May 4, 2003, 15:26
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Magneto is an Israeli, you know.
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In UXM, he's a Terrorist, blowing up the Brooklyn bridge and whatnot.
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And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worth while, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: "I served in the United States Navy!"
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May 4, 2003, 15:41
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I don't know how much they've changed the story, but back in the 80s, he and Xavior had fought together in the Israeli War of Indepenedence. Magento was flinging Egyptian tanks around. Magneto was still self-identifying as a Jew at that time, and since his powers came of age, he refused to let the Holocaust happen again.
The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants came later.
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May 4, 2003, 15:43
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I don't know how much they've changed the story, but back in the 80s, he and Xavior had fought together in the Israeli War of Indepenedence.
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I knew that they met each other in Israel but I didn't know about that.
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May 4, 2003, 15:47
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I can't wait to go see this movie. The X-men have been one of my favourite things since I was a kid (I grew up on the X-men cartoon, not the comics). Iceman's coming out as a mutant scene sounds like it's really going to hit home. I wish I had superpowers. So much cooler to tell your mum about them than just about being gay.
This also seems like a good place to ask this question. In a thread crawling with X-men fanatics, can someone tell me what/who Apocalypse is? I just watched a rerun of the cartoon and from what I've gathered he's been around for a long time and may or may not be a mutant. What's his deal?
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@ Starchild's sig.
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