List of things banned by school text books - Page 3

Ben Kenobi · May 6, 2003, 19:14

Conservatives are to blame for some of the restrictions, just not the one that I mentioned.

See the power in these simple textbooks.

Lorizael · May 6, 2003, 19:16

Stupid politicians. I'm so not one of them.

Al B. Sure! · May 6, 2003, 19:18

why must the term 'fascist' be thrown around purely as a negative... it is a political belief system... "fascist liberals" makes no sense

anyway, Huck Finn is not banned from the curriculum of the philly public school district... and I've never seen the term Founding Fathers in textbooks... everywhere it is Framers of the Constitution or Framers for short... I guess Jefferson is not among them as he didnt sign the constitution

thanks

yavoon · May 6, 2003, 19:20

u read huck in school albert?

Al B. Sure! · May 6, 2003, 19:22

No... one of the english teachers at my school had her classes read it. I had another english teacher so my class did not.

thanks

Al B. Sure! · May 6, 2003, 19:23

though it wouldnt have mattered. most people don't read these books... if they care about their grades, there's always sparknotes.com...

Lorizael · May 6, 2003, 19:24

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Originally posted by Albert Speer
why must the term 'fascist' be thrown around purely as a negative... it is a political belief system... "fascist liberals" makes no sense

It's one that most people view with disdain. And I didn't actually mean it. I used it because it does have a negative connotation, and I'm in a bad mood. It wasn't intended to actually make sense.

Al B. Sure! · May 6, 2003, 19:26

What about communist? that has a bad connotation...

yavoon · May 6, 2003, 19:27

the greatest american author writing his best book. while ur in the city of brotherly love which contains the liberty bell and ur teacher did not have u read it?

something is wrong w/ society.

Dis · May 6, 2003, 19:28

I read huck finn when I was in school

I loved it. Literature I can actually understand

Unlike Melville

and shakespeare

Lorizael · May 6, 2003, 19:31

But people use that term incorrectly very consistently. They use it to describe the USSR and PRC, which were not communist states. There's no such thing as a communist state, actually, because Marx felt that in true Communism, the government would just sort of melt away. The USSR and the PRC were autocracies with command economies, not communist societies.

Fascism, however, is a term used to describe a belief that your people are superior. Fascist states were those that acted on this belief, like Germany and Italy. The term Fascism was correctly applied to those regimes.

Al B. Sure! · May 6, 2003, 19:35

you know what i realized over the years... shakespeare tried too hard to be a poet. his plays were largely written as classical poetry what with the iambic meter, the awkward grammar, and the unclear, flowery language... i think that sometimes when he had the common people characters talk, shakespeare was a lot easier to understand. he wrote in actual sentences and was pretty clear. it's when he wrote for nobles like Hamlet or Caesar that **** don't make sense

thanks

Al B. Sure! · May 6, 2003, 19:38

Yavoon:

of course something is wrong with society... plenty is

Lorizael:

i do not believe that Portugal, Lithuania, Roumania, Hungary, or numerous other fascist states were particularily nationalistic to the point that their citizens believed themselves superior to all others.

Lorizael · May 6, 2003, 19:40

What would you consider to be the definition of Fascism, then?

Al B. Sure! · May 6, 2003, 20:05

a sort of socially conservative corporatist populism if that makes sense... in american terms, fascism would be a movement by the lower middle class (think union members) which tend to be very conservative socially and fairly pro-capitalist (at least much more than their european equivalent). it would be corporatist in that tariff walls, small business loans, etc. would aide domestic business which in turn would provide more jobs for american workers (populist).

thanks

Lorizael · May 6, 2003, 20:18

Where does that definition come from...

Al B. Sure! · May 6, 2003, 20:39

a 21st century American interpretation of Mussolini's writings on fascism as well as the areas in German, Italian, etc. society that supported fascism... modifications are done due to differences in such things as the structure of American trade unions verses European ones (American ones are run more like businesses seeking high wages and are still thoroughly capitalistic and tend to be Christian dominated whereas European unions have generally been dominated by marxists and operated more like political interest groups), etc. what i described would be fascism in an American context.

Dis · May 10, 2003, 04:30

a new one I just heard.

minutemen is either banned or in the process of being banned from certain textbooks.

I think it mainly has to deal with the fact that men is in the name. I'm not sure what else to call them.

Elden · May 11, 2003, 09:34

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Originally posted by Dissident
Snowmen are now referred to as snowpersons

I wonder how long till the political corectness people try to change us from humans into hupeople ???

Dis · May 11, 2003, 23:02

I didn't think of that

I'll forward this suggestion to my favourite extreme whacko PC special interest group right now.

Wernazuma III · May 14, 2003, 17:07

Wow, this is really getting out of control. I boycot PC language in Austria already, and we're far from being so completely crippled in the use of normal language in official texts.
Last time I said a child had a "behavior disorder" and someone else shouted me that I couldn't say that, those children are "behaviour conspiciousness", but only to be corrected by anotherone who said that this would not be correct anymore, it's rather "behaviour creative".

Sure, it's very creative to kick me without the slightest reason in the intestines!

But it's fun to exaggerate PC (is this possible?). Now I call everyone with a bad taste "taste creative" when those paedagogic or psychology students are around.

Dr Strangelove · May 14, 2003, 19:09

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Originally posted by Dissident
a new one I just heard.

minutemen is either banned or in the process of being banned from certain textbooks.

I don't believe it. Prove it.

Guynemer · May 14, 2003, 23:18

I have a hard time believing any of this.

Sikander · May 15, 2003, 08:04

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Originally posted by Agathon
Rushmore apparently offensive to Lakota Sioux.

Geez, Bill Murray did one little Indian joke years ago, and they are still boycotting his films!

DAVOUT · May 15, 2003, 09:18

Are they groups or sites supporting Diane Ravitch ?

Great guy, btw

Main_Brain · May 15, 2003, 09:26

Red Hood

Elden · May 15, 2003, 09:31

Quote:

Originally posted by Wernazuma III
Sure, it's very creative to kick me without the slightest reason in the intestines!

Ouch
Darn political corectness

Arrian · May 15, 2003, 09:42

Considering the source of this stuff ("Liberatarian Radio Talk Show") I'm skeptical.

I'm no fan of PC. But there is enough genuine PC stupidity out there for us to bash without picking up on the rants of some far-right-liberatarian-wacko talk show host. Don't ya think?

-Arrian

gunkulator · May 15, 2003, 11:00

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Originally posted by Lorizael
But people use that term incorrectly very consistently. They use it to describe the USSR and PRC, which were not communist states.

Sorry, doesn't wash with me. The most compelling reason to refer to the USSR and PRC as communists states is because that is what they called themselves. They were, at least originally, sincere attempts at communism. The party called itself communist and the state called itself communist so the terms have passed into the general lexicon.

Quote:

The USSR and the PRC were autocracies with command economies, not communist societies.

"You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes-- "
"Oh, there you go bringing class into it again"