What separates a Mac from a PC? - Page 15

Asher · May 9, 2003, 00:40

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
You can't beat a CLI that supports regular expression for efficiency. Who needs thousands of clicks?

Are you telling me you'd click all those XP files individually?

To be honest, I've never used the regexp features in Linux or Solaris. I don't care to think that much when I'm deleting.

The closest thing I use is wildcards (* and ?) which Windows also supports.

Urban Ranger · May 9, 2003, 00:42

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Originally posted by Asher
That's what we call a kludge.

Don't start talking about kludges, Glonkie. Windows is filled with them.

Asher · May 9, 2003, 00:42

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Don't start talking about kludges, Glonkie. Windows is filled with them.

Win2K/XP? Like what?

Urban Ranger · May 9, 2003, 00:44

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Originally posted by Asher
Are you telling me you'd click all those XP files individually?

It depends on the situation. Suppose you want to delete all the .tmp (or .temp) files on your computer.

I know you can use the file finder, but that's pretty much a very specialised CLI that doesn't even support regexp.

Asher · May 9, 2003, 00:45

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
It depends on the situation. Suppose you want to delete all the .tmp (or .temp) files on your computer.

I know you can use the file finder, but that's pretty much a very specialised CLI that doesn't even support regexp.

I'd just do a del -r *.tmp and del -r *.temp

or in the GUI, I'd go to the Search dialog, search for *.tmp
then CTRL-A, then DEL

Easy.

Urban Ranger · May 9, 2003, 00:46

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Originally posted by Asher
Win2K/XP? Like what?

Take a look at how patches work under Windows. They just work around the bugs instead of ironing them out.

Urban Ranger · May 9, 2003, 00:47

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Originally posted by Asher
I'd just do a del -r *.tmp and del -r *.temp

That's command line, innit?

Asher · May 9, 2003, 00:47

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Take a look at how patches work under Windows. They just work around the bugs instead of ironing them out.

This is a cop-out if I've ever seen one.

Asher · May 9, 2003, 00:48

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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
That's command line, innit?

Yeah it is, but it's in Windows, so I don't see your point?

Panag · May 9, 2003, 03:53

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Asher

The difference being panag copy/pastes marketing, and I address issues.

Your role here is to butt in occasionally with some smartass remark, and Agathon's role is to continually feign ignorance about why people sometimes need to run a program more than once, or why most people think the dock is crap.

BTW, that page Agathon linked to had some cool things.

hi ,

with a cut & paste people can see it all , ....

its the story with the full text , not some story that is edited to ones personal viewpoints in order to suit them , ......

marketing

yeah right , ....

"issues" , well what the issue , its a more or the less free world inwhere one has the right to believe what he or she wants , ..... with a choice to get either a mac a pc or both , .....

every sytem has its good things and its not so good things , .....

what is left to talk about , nothing , ...

bye

Agathon · May 9, 2003, 12:04

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Originally posted by Asher

A real pretentious tw4t would have known to hyphenate that.

Whatever. You are so desperate to win and throw around insults that you stoop to this. No wonder you've got mental problems and don't get out much. Are you an only child, by any chance? If you can't think up a decent reply then you resort to accusing mac users of being "dumb" or some equivalent statement.

Perhaps you should just grow up - there is very little of merit in your post and too much of the childish insults.

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It sure as hell does -- Apple doesn't have a defragmenter. They don't have an app for it, and they don't go and "clean up" in the background. It's just now how a defragmenter works.

Now you are just pleading instead of trying to come up with a sensible answer. I actually bothered looking around to see what people are saying. Some of the mac techie people think it might need defragging, the majority do not. I don't know, like I said, it's a point of dispute.

You are always accusing other people of not being up with the play, so why don't you find out for yourself? Or couldn't you bear the thought that OS X might not need a defragger?

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There's not a big hue and cry for an OS X defragger, because if Apple users gave a damn about performance, they'd be using a PC.

Now this is just being pathetic. You really are a loser.

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The people who use Apple use it because they like Apple's style, they like the simplicity of the GUI permitting things like only one instance of an application at once, and only having one menu bar on the screen.

Here you pretend to speak for everyone that uses a mac instead of listening to mac users themselves - and when you don't use one yourself. I use a mac because I used to use Windows and became frustrated with its poor performance; and discovered that the Mac interface suited my style of working better and there were much less performance issues. I like the Apple style because at least it has one. Windows is and has alway been an ugly, garish mess.

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The last thing on their mind is if they need a defragmenter, or why they don't have one. And to be frank, a lot of them just don't want to admit that there are lots of things missing from OS X.

Yes, the most important of them being "bloat". Just because a computer could remotely operate a toaster doesn't mean that one should include toaster-operating software in the OS.

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But how would you keep track of it if the dock is castrated so as to only put one icon on the dock per program?

This shows how much you know about OS X. It sticks another icon on the right hand side. Like I said, this shows up how silly your criticism was, since for most of the other functions of X that aren't immediately accessible through the GUI there are free haxies. In fact there are free haxies for all sorts of bizarre features that aren't enabled in the GUI.

If mac users were really desperate to run two programs at once, one would think that such a haxie or some sort of script would have appeared. But it hasn't, so it looks like Apple was right to leave it out.

Agathon · May 9, 2003, 12:10

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Originally posted by Asher

Yeah it is, but it's in Windows, so I don't see your point?

I can...

Anyway.. better dead than Redmond.

Zero · May 9, 2003, 12:26

I fins it hard to remain neutral on this battle when one side of arguement is so poorly constructed.

Agathon · May 9, 2003, 15:31

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Originally posted by Calc II
I fins it hard to remain neutral on this battle when one side of arguement is so poorly constructed.

What argument? Where?

All that's happened is that Asher has basically said he thinks the Apple Dock sucks, despite counterclaims from people who actually use it and know what it does. For example, he claimed it confused open applications with closed ones. I use it and I know it doesn't for me, neither does it for Drake. How he thinks he can maintain a position (which he probably took from someone else) in the face of the facts is amazing.

I agree with him that Apple needs to do something about hardware. Other than that I don't think they have any major problems. The rest of it is just prejudice.

Henrik · May 9, 2003, 15:39

I cannot believe this thread is still here

Why are you guys still arguing? The guy who asked the initial question has surely stopped reading by now and neither side listens to the other (nor says anything which hasn't allready been said elsewhere in the thread)

Agathon · May 9, 2003, 16:29

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Originally posted by Henrik
I cannot believe this thread is still here

Why are you guys still arguing? The guy who asked the initial question has surely stopped reading by now and neither side listens to the other (nor says anything which hasn't allready been said elsewhere in the thread)

Because Asher must admit that he lied about the Apple Dock and that he doesn't know how to use it properly.

He must also perform an act of contrition for his inconsistencies. For example, his fifth complaint about the Dock was that it had trouble displaying multiple instances of a program. Then he said a page or so later that it couldn't run multiple instances of a program. Which is it?

In fact it is neither - the dock displays multiple instances of a program and OS X can in fact run multiple instances, although low demand for such a feature has led to it not being enabled in the GUI.

Asher · May 9, 2003, 17:27

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Originally posted by Agathon
Perhaps you should just grow up - there is very little of merit in your post and too much of the childish insults.

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Now this is just being pathetic. You really are a loser.

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No wonder you've got mental problems and don't get out much.

'nuff said.

Agathon · May 9, 2003, 17:29

Don't blame your problems on me.

Do unto others......

Yawn......

Asher · May 9, 2003, 17:32

I'm not blaming my problems onto you, I'm showing you how much of a blatant hypocrite you are.

I would have addressed your rebuttals to the issues, but most of them were so laughable ("maybe OS X just doesn't need a defragger"), I'm not going to waste my time anymore.

So it's much more fun to just point out how silly you're being in one simple, short post.

Agathon · May 9, 2003, 17:41

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Originally posted by Asher

So it's much more fun to just point out how silly you're being in one simple, short post.

Yes, so much more fun than attempting to answer the point. I mean the world would be a much better place if we all just mocked and abused the people we disagreed with instead of attempting to answer them properly.

And I agree it's so absolutely silly to point out the facts.

Asher · May 9, 2003, 17:51

Oh Agathon, save yourself the embarassment and hug me and let this die.

Your "facts" are whatever you pull out of your ass, and the few times you did try to use something scientific to prove a point, you clearly didn't understand what you were talking about and conveniently let that get pushed under the rug. Now you're back with anecdotal "facts" from Mac "techies" that say you don't need OS X defraggers, etc.

Your "facts" are laughable, but I suppose this is why I'm in a Science and you're in a bullshit department.

Agathon · May 9, 2003, 17:52

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Originally posted by Asher

Your "facts" are laughable, but I suppose this is why I'm in a Science and you're in a bullshit department.

Yeah right - and you're going to go far in life behaving like this.

Asher · May 9, 2003, 17:56

What, with logic and reason?

I dunno, in my field having the ability to use logic and reason is considered a plus.

MRT144 · May 9, 2003, 17:58

you can only use logic on macs now. apple killed the PC line of logic products. way to stimulate growth in the industry apple!

Agathon · May 9, 2003, 18:18

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Originally posted by Asher
What, with logic and reason?

You could do with a dose of that as well... You know what I mean.

Asher · May 9, 2003, 18:20

Oh Aggy, shut up and hug me.

Drake Tungsten · May 14, 2003, 00:04

Microsoft must not agree with Asher's views on the Dock, seeing as they're copying it and incorporating it into the next version of XP.

http://www.cnet.com/software/0,10000....html?tag=plug

Asher · May 14, 2003, 00:05

The Sidebar is completely different, any actual research into what it is and what it does would tell you that much.

Drake Tungsten · May 14, 2003, 00:07

The Cnet staff seemed to think it copied the Dock and I'd trust their opinion over yours anyday.

Asher · May 14, 2003, 00:11

Yes, C|Net was the wonderful people who told us the MS iLoo was a hoax yesterday.

C|Net is about journalism, they don't particularly know what they're talking about aside from what they're told.

Why don't you explain to the class why you think it's a Dock ripoff, rather than relying on someone else's uninformed opinion?