Gator, Spawn Of Satan - Page 2

Rasbelin · May 5, 2003, 02:50

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The problem is that many computer-illiterates might fall for it when visiting 'Poly. And I sure wouldn't want 'Poly to be associated with gator's criminal business

The problem is also that computer illiterates only use that MSIE they get with their Windows OS and also have it unupdated.

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Oh and Ming, there are *other* virus addons for IE that actually bypass the "asking for permission" stage and install new viruses directly into IE just from visiting an infected page.

virus add-ons -> spyware add-ons

Gator and Xupiter aren't viruses. They're just simple spyware. However Gator has even some useful features, despite it's spyware too. None the less you should avoid it.

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UberKruX, and anyone else who's interested in locking down your IE security settings, have a look at http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~ehowes/resource.htm#IESPYAD You can download a file of sitenames of many of the known junkpushers of the net, that get added to your "Restricted Sites" list in IE 5.0 and up. Keep the security settings for your Restricted Zone set to High, and the scumbags can't set cookies or attempt ActiveX downloads at all on your computer. This does not block the ad itself (thus not drawing the ire of site admins), but does save you from harmful side-effects.

The problem isn't only the security settings of MSIE. First of all it's warmly recommended to use some other browser than MSIE due to it's security issues, bugs and limited protection. Secondary it's recommended to use a list of resricted sites as you mentioned, but also use manual controlling of cookies and ActiveX components. However that's still hindering the problem with duct tape as you would have done, not solving the problem on a multilayer level.

Ming is actually right here. Yes, indeed the problem should be solved as said, but it's not only ACS and the advertiser to blame, if it's clear that the software was installed after he accepted the installation of it. Common sense is that you think twice before you click YES in a pop-up window.

FYI: Gator 4.1/4.0 Privacy Statement and EULA

MarkG · May 5, 2003, 02:53

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pop up that causes it > the access my pc from anywhere

i would need the url of that pop-up in order to act....

Rasbelin · May 5, 2003, 02:55

Forgot to mention that there's uninstallation instructions for all programs by Gator Corporation on their website. Basically you should find the uninstallation programs for Gator eWallet, GAIN and OfferCompanion under Add/Remove Programs in the Control Panel. Very simple.

Ming · May 5, 2003, 03:55

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Originally posted by Rasbelin
The problem is also that computer illiterates only use that MSIE they get with their Windows OS and also have it unupdated.

The problem isn't only the security settings of MSIE. First of all it's warmly recommended to use some other browser than MSIE due to it's security issues, bugs and limited protection.

I use MSIE, and have had NO problems with it.

Granted... I keep it updated. And I use a "few other" utility programs to protect my computer. It gets swept automatically on a daily basis looking for nasty things

But you are right... if you use MSIE... don't update it, don't use any other forms of protection... AND CLICK YES WHEN A POP UP OCCURS... you will indeed have a lot of problems

DrSpike · May 5, 2003, 07:21

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Originally posted by Ming

Granted... I keep it updated. And I use a "few other" utility programs to protect my computer. It gets swept automatically on a daily basis looking for nasty things

Hehe, anyone would think you are wary of banned posters trying to get their own back.......

Mercator · May 5, 2003, 07:35

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Originally posted by Solver
Never, never, never, NEVER use Opera! Not only it's a terrible browser (and I've seen it since it emerged), it also might have spyware in it... I had a nice article somewhere.

You mean something like this?
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9154

Zopperoni · May 5, 2003, 08:02

And Opera is not a terrible browser, it's great.

DrSpike · May 5, 2003, 08:25

I agree.

Great article Mercator.

Rasbelin · May 5, 2003, 09:16

Opera is good. I'm not against it at all.

However...

I think we did have a more serious concern here called Gator eWallet. Anyone still seeing that pop-up window? I tried to enter ACS with MSIE and surf around, but I never got that pop-up window.

Panag · May 5, 2003, 10:28

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Originally posted by MarkG

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pop up that causes it > the access my pc from anywhere

i would need the url of that pop-up in order to act....

hi ,

this is what it linked to last night , ..... > http://webpdp.gator.com/v3/webpdp_v...c=HIC_RydiumINT

the problem is that its not there allways, .....

i have tested it again last night and for windows user's , both zonealarm and finjan stop it death , it does not even pop - up , the add does , but gator is blocked , ....

btw , people , its always good to get the latest patches for your os and browser , many of these include the closing of ports to your comp , .....

anyway , gator tried to install itself on a win 98se as an object in the temp internet files ,.... without clicking yes or no

some isp's block this tool (!) that could expplain why some of us dont see it , .....

have a nice day

panag goes on looking for a solution

Panag · May 5, 2003, 10:31

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Originally posted by Ming

I use MSIE, and have had NO problems with it.

Granted... I keep it updated. And I use a "few other" utility programs to protect my computer. It gets swept automatically on a daily basis looking for nasty things

But you are right... if you use MSIE... don't update it, don't use any other forms of protection... AND CLICK YES WHEN A POP UP OCCURS... you will indeed have a lot of problems

hi ,

this solves a lot of problems in general > ""Granted... I keep it updated.""

as for the click yes , see the above post , .... it walk right inside and installed itself , ..... ( no harm done its a standalone test pc ) but still , it should not do that , ......

have a nice day

Rasbelin · May 5, 2003, 10:43

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Originally posted by panag

some isp's block this tool (!) that could expplain why some of us dont see it , .....

Not all of us use MSIE or click YES...

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panag goes on looking for a solution

Several good solutions have already been offered.

Ming · May 5, 2003, 11:04

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Originally posted by panag
as for the click yes , see the above post , .... it walk right inside and installed itself

I've never seen that happen on my system. I have seen where pressing no doesn't close the window. Then I just hit control/alt/delete and end the task.

MarkG · May 5, 2003, 11:11

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this is what it linked to last night

i'm talking about the url of the original pop-up window.
on ie, right click, choose properties

DrSpike · May 5, 2003, 11:12

It does happen, especially if you run IE5 (which comes on most early win2k cds for example) without any updates.

Panag · May 5, 2003, 12:48

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Originally posted by Rasbelin

Not all of us use MSIE or click YES...

Several good solutions have already been offered.

hi ,

huh , how does the blocking by an ISP relate to the browser one uses , .....

Mark , i shall see later on to capture it again , .....

Ming , that comp was ie 5.5 with security off , no firewall or other security software , ......

have a nice day

Ming · May 5, 2003, 13:14

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Originally posted by panag
Ming , that comp was ie 5.5 with security off , no firewall or other security software , ......

No sympathy here... they deserve what they get. That's like having sex without protection... eventually, you will get burned if you sleep around.

Panag · May 5, 2003, 13:35

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Originally posted by Ming

No sympathy here... they deserve what they get. That's like having sex without protection... eventually, you will get burned if you sleep around.

hi ,

well its true , one does not leave his or her car outside unlocked , ......

having a comp without protection ( plenty of free stuff outhere ) is like having the keys in the ignition , .....

wanna bet your car gets stolen , ....

Uber , get some protection

have a nice day

Rasbelin · May 5, 2003, 15:39

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Originally posted by Ming

That's like having sex without protection...

Now that free condom samples ad would be good.

mrmitchell · May 5, 2003, 20:25

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Originally posted by Rasbelin
That's like using duct tape to fix the problem. The problem doesn't disappear, you only try to hinder it.

Didn't you ever learn about duct tape, boy!?? Duct tape doesn't hide a problem, and it's probably not meant for the problem. Duct tape fixes things, not problems. Besides, the problem should disappear, or else you're not using enough duct tape. (Trust me, you nonbeliever.)

Method · May 5, 2003, 20:47

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Originally posted by mrmitchell
Besides, the problem should disappear, or else you're not using enough duct tape. (Trust me, you nonbeliever.)

thanks for the sig line

TCO · May 6, 2003, 15:08

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Originally posted by Ming

First... If he was silly enough to click YES to a pop up... I have a hard time feeling any sympathy for him.

And second... I'm only a moderator... not a site admin or owner. They are the ones that work with the advertising partners... and in the past, the owners have shown their willingness to not work with partners that cause problems. Many times they have listened to their members and dropped partnerships...

But get real... people who click yes when a pop up appears need to rethink their own security issues. It's like somebody saying... I thought the gun was empty...

I agree that users should not click yes on popups. But sites should also not have dangerous things popping up. Some people may not know the difference. For instance to use the IRC here, you DO have to click yes on a popup.

TCO · May 6, 2003, 15:11

1. I've seen the Gator popup a couple times, but I can't remember if it was poly that caused it.

2. If I just close the window asking me to accept Gator (not clicking yes OR no) what happens? Any chance it will install? Is it better to click no or just close the window?

Rasbelin · May 6, 2003, 15:19

I would say that both are as good, so clicking No or closing the window should be as safe as the other option is.