Never seen this before

Iasius · May 5, 2003, 17:00

In all the years and thousands of moo2 games I've played, I have never seen an invading Space Dragon ask for money to spare a system. Cool, a feature I've never seen before. I didn't think there were any surprises left for me there.
So, was I lucky all that time, or is that a pretty rare event? Or both?

vmxa1 · May 5, 2003, 17:40

I can not say as I normally play with event off.

Tuberski · May 5, 2003, 21:26

As far as I can recall, the Space Dragon has ALWAYS asked me for money to spare a system.

ACK!

Harry Seldon · May 6, 2003, 08:33

How can he build his hoard without gold? At least when you gave him money, he left your system alone for a little while.

Kaptain Ken · May 6, 2003, 16:06

Guess I will have to try with events once again, haven't used them for the last few years. I know there are some very rare ones that I never experienced, and its sounds like a good change.

Daz · May 14, 2003, 09:48

uhm, I think I remember being able to choose, after you pay of course, where the dragon should go.... like an enemy system....

Gilgamensch · May 14, 2003, 11:29

Never had this one before, even when I had random events turned on, it never occured, but that might have been before I upgraded from 1.2...... SO they might have changed it............

Aabraxan · November 17, 2004, 17:44

This isn't related to the space dragon, but I do wonder if anyone's seen this before. The Orion system is almost always near the center of the galaxy. Once, though, I found it almost at the edge of the screen. Never had seen it before, haven't seen it since.

Anyone else ever see this?

vmxa1 · November 17, 2004, 19:29

Not that I recall. I should mention that in Moo1 Orion can be any place.

GePap · November 18, 2004, 14:28

Everytime a traveling space dragon has come my way, they ask for money to attack a different system- and 500 is not that much, so I usually pay, why not?

That said, I find eels more of a pain when they blockade a system and start spawining. Thought the Space Amoeba swallowing your planet and turning it toxic is horrible- in one pre-warp game this happened to my homeworld early on, and sunk the whole game.

Aabraxan · November 18, 2004, 14:45

Yeah, I've had the spawning eel ruin a game.

Aabraxan · December 11, 2004, 13:03

I know that the Antarans are supposed to attack at random, but I had a recent game where it sure didn't seem random. I played about 200 turns, and I was attacked by the Antarans 20-30 times. Every time I turned around, one of my colonies was being pounded by them. Totally ravaged my empire.

vmxa1 · December 11, 2004, 13:21

I don't think I ever saw them attack 30 times in a game. It is more like 6-10 times.

Aabraxan · December 11, 2004, 13:45

That's why it's in the "never seen this before" thread. It may not have reached 30 times, but it was more frequent than I've ever seen. 6-10, I'd expect. 12-15, which I'm not sure I've ever seen, I'd grumble. This, I lost.

vmxa1 · December 11, 2004, 14:53

Were you dusting their attackers each time? If not, that may be what allowed them to return sooner. Losing all their attackers, means they need time to rebuild.

So you would have to be large enough to be the one attacked, but weakly defended to let them have some survivors.

Aabraxan · December 11, 2004, 15:13

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Originally posted by vmxa1
Were you dusting their attackers each time? If not, that may be what allowed them to return sooner. Losing all their attackers, means they need time to rebuild.

So you would have to be large enough to be the one attacked, but weakly defended to let them have some survivors.

No. They were wiping the floor with me. The first couple of times they attacked, they decimated my fleet, so the best I could hope for was to get what meager ships I had out of the path of attack, leaving the colony to be attacked to its own devices. Normally, I would see this as a bad move, but I had two choices: (1) allow my colony to get bashed; or (2) allow my colony to get bashed and lose a bunch of ships, too.

vmxa1 · December 11, 2004, 16:59

Well I would like to see that. I tend to not play with them on any more as they are so boring and tempt me to end the game with a quick smashing of their HW.

They never have any surviving ships in my games, so somethinig is wrong. The first few times they come they go for someone else as I will not be the biggest.

Then they come for me the rest of the game. So if you are playing a level where you can be the top dog right away, then maybe they come before you are up to stopping them.

Once I have two BB's they no longer are a threat. You have at least 3 turns to see them coming, so you can get up a few defenses.

vmxa1 · December 11, 2004, 17:06

I just looked at the log from that game posted and they only sent 4 ships on one turn to an undefended planet. I sent 4 ships to defend and dusted them, no loses.

Zoetrope · December 13, 2004, 03:07

Usually I have close encounters with the Antarans about three times in a game.

First time, they wipe the floor with any fleet and defences, then bomb the planet, causing either minor damage or total devastation depending on comparative force strengths.

Second time, I'm able to defend myself; I may capture one, two or three of their ships if my ground combat skills are up to it and the right ships are near enough.

You don't always get 3-4 turns warning: sometimes they materialise 1 turn from a poorly defended colony.

Third time we meet, it's at their base world. Two disappointments here: (1) no Antaran buildings or statistically measurable population to wreak vengeance on; (2) cannot seize their ships and run with them, which would be fun.

In one game, however, I was near the middle of the map, nad had good relations with my neighbors, but the Antarans attacked me once or twice in every 10 turns, repeatedly. They destroyed my best planets, one by one.

For some reason my ship tech wasn't up to fending them off, but I was close enough to Android tech to go for it. So I concentrated my research, got Android Workers, then went to war against my formerly placid neighbors, just so I could grab some worlds to survive the relentless Antaran onslaught.

The AWs were worth their weight in xentronium, because they worked hard enough to build up each captured colony fast enough to maintain the industry necessary to build ships (incl. colony ships), and so was able to maintain about 10 useful colonies despite continual losses to Antaran bombardment and withstand the attempts by my neighbors to retaliate against my desperate grabs for territory.

Aabraxan · December 13, 2004, 11:32

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Originally posted by vmxa1
I just looked at the log from that game you posted and they only sent 4 ships on one turn to an undefended planet. I sent 4 ships to defend and dusted them, no loses.

If you're referring to me, vmxa1, I didn't post a log.

vmxa1 · December 13, 2004, 13:03

Sorry for the confusion, the log was from the game I played from the posted save.

Brutalisk · December 13, 2004, 15:28

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"In all the years and thousands of moo2 games I've played, I have never seen an invading Space Dragon ask for money to spare a system. Cool, a feature I've never seen before."

I tried really hard to get over that statement but i can't. The only explanation is probably that your games wouldn't last for a lot of turns. Atleast not enough turns for the dragon to appear.

Aabraxan · December 15, 2004, 15:44

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Originally posted by vmxa1
Sorry for the confusion, the log was from the game I played from the posted save.

Are you referring to me? I've never posted a save, either. Had to be someone else's.

vmxa1 · December 15, 2004, 15:58

One other method Brutlisk, having random events turned off.

Brutalisk · December 16, 2004, 02:33

LOL, it's just that from the sound of it, he does have random events on.