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Originally posted by PLATO1003
Nope, no extra training. I started out in consumer finance. Today I manage the State of Tennessee for a Fortune 500 mortgage company. High stress, but lots of fun.
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I think people with degrees in economics are smarter 
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May 8, 2003, 14:23
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A huge amount depends on your personality/drive/etc.. One of my best friends from high school - who was incredibly bright, BTW - decided to totally slack off his senior year and barely graduated (again, if he applied himself even to half his ability, he could have gotten into university no problem). He was a compu-geek, but not in the programming kind of way. He got some crap job testing games at Electronic Arts, and within a few years became a producer and even designed/created/launched a top-selling game himself (well, with the help of his team at EA). He then went on to co-found a tech company, left to do some free-lance consulting work, and is now a producer at one of the top electronic ad agencies in Canada, handling Microsoft's accounts. All of this without ANY post-secondary education, but alot of drive and determination.
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May 8, 2003, 14:23
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That suks! Do you mean 40K?
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May 8, 2003, 14:26
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Originally posted by Rothy
anyone any idea how marketing pays?
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I would include that in business maybe-36k and growing.
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May 8, 2003, 14:26
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Here's the Canadian info and some examples: http://www.jobfutures.ca/fos/browse-...alphabet.shtml
Averages (CDN $):
Undergrad Chemical Engineer: 2 years after grad: $40,400, 5 years: $46,200
Computer Science: 2 years after grad: $40,500, 5 years: $46,100
Economics: 2 years: $31,600, 5 years: $41,100
Electrical Engineering: 2 years: $42,000, 5 years: $46,500
Geology: 2 years: $38,100, 5 years: $37,800 (not a typo)
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May 8, 2003, 14:27
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Yup, it aint the degree but the will and determination that gets you pass that pre-stated economic roof.
My old Director only had a BS degree while most others had Masters or PhD/MD degrees. Yet, that guy was in there all the time! I actually saw him once at 4am, the morning after the companies Christmas Party, and again at 3am on Christmas morning... That made my days. Hey, what was I doing there!?
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May 8, 2003, 14:28
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Thanks Asher 
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May 8, 2003, 14:32
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I see Politics is some way down the list.
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May 8, 2003, 14:34
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Also interesting from the Canadian info is the salary difference between diplomas and degrees:
Masters: Computer Science: 2 years after grad: $48,400, 5 years: $54,500
BSc Degree: Computer Science: 2 years after grad: $40,500, 5 years: $46,100
Diploma: Computer Science: 2 years after grad: $32,900, 5 years: $35,600
Trade school: Computer Science: 2 years after grad: $29,300, 5 years: $32,700
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May 8, 2003, 14:35
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Originally posted by Japher
That suks! Do you mean 40K?
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It's not so bad. You have to do your time before you get up higher ranks; still it sucks being somebody elses serf.  . My biggest priority was to do something I like so I'd enjoy going to work each day.
$40k is plenty for a young 20 something with no family and it stacks up well compared to most other just out of school sort of jobs. I suppose I could go to graduate school and get a big raise at the end of it but right now I just want to concentrate on building some experience and working towards becoming a Registared Geologist (similiar to become a Principle Engineer).
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May 8, 2003, 14:37
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Geology: 2 years: $38,100, 5 years: $37,800 (not a typo)
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Geologists get SCREWED in Canada. They should move to California were the government requires all sorts of enviromental work be done by a geologist. We're swimming in state clean up funds.
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May 8, 2003, 14:37
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u damn rock-boys
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May 8, 2003, 14:38
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Geologists get SCREWED in Canada. They should move to California were the government requires all sorts of enviromental work be done by a geologist. We're swimming in state clean up funds.
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Almost all of the average salaries in Canada are far lower than those in the US, after conversion.
That's why I think it's a much better idea to move south to find a job. 
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May 8, 2003, 14:39
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I know you guys have to do better than the history majors.
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May 8, 2003, 14:40
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On the upside you guys do get a better social security pay out upon retirement and you have socialized health care, but, all of the jobs we're talking about would have the Health care and 401k plans in the US as well.
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May 8, 2003, 14:43
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I have a M.Sc. in Chemical Engineering and that has made me join the top 10% income league in Sweden. But the wage differentials here are quite low. I earn about 40 k€ per year, while the low-end fulltime jobs for uneducated people (janitor and such) pay about half of that.
If I lived in US and had the same job, I would get 70-100 k$ per year.
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May 8, 2003, 14:46
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May 8, 2003, 15:18
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Sorry Arrian. I knew I would get a hit somewhere. I'm sure some history majors do quite well though
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May 8, 2003, 15:47
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I'm fine. I'm not really using the degree, since I work in Insurance.
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May 8, 2003, 16:06
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Well, I guess I am not moving to the US for sure.  
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May 8, 2003, 17:25
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Hmm, I am below average, but since cost of living is less here I guess that's OK.
Those are strange numbers though. The Finance guys I know were making 6 figures in around 3 years after grad.
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May 8, 2003, 17:28
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You're talking about MBAs who specialize in Finance I think.
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May 8, 2003, 18:21
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Garth: While I think that Oerdin is correct, you also have to remember that I got in the business close to twenty years ago. It was a whole different world then. Also, there are a variety of "Finance Guys". My specialty is is consumer lending to high risk individuals. Unfortunately, the consumer finance business paid its employees poorly and reaped huge profits. The mortgage business is more regulated but still reaps huge profits...they just pay better!
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May 8, 2003, 18:48
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One guy I know just has a BComm. He has been working on his CFA and has a couple levels already. He doesn't have an MBA.
The other is an MBA.
They started as Financial Analysts. I am not sure of titles now.
I suppose there is a big difference within the field like anything else.
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May 8, 2003, 19:47
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Originally posted by Kontiki
A huge amount depends on your personality/drive/etc.. One of my best friends from high school - who was incredibly bright, BTW - decided to totally slack off his senior year and barely graduated (again, if he applied himself even to half his ability, he could have gotten into university no problem). He was a compu-geek, but not in the programming kind of way. He got some crap job testing games at Electronic Arts, and within a few years became a producer and even designed/created/launched a top-selling game himself (well, with the help of his team at EA). He then went on to co-found a tech company, left to do some free-lance consulting work, and is now a producer at one of the top electronic ad agencies in Canada, handling Microsoft's accounts. All of this without ANY post-secondary education, but alot of drive and determination.
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getting a crap job at EA, is actually being frikking lucky, or having nice friends... btw what top selling game did he design by the way?
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May 8, 2003, 20:49
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Mine are 6th and 14th (Economics & Political Science). Though I'm sure with the Law Degree, the starting salary will be a bit higher .
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May 8, 2003, 21:27
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Mine are 6th and 14th (Economics & Political Science). Though I'm sure with the Law Degree, the starting salary will be a bit higher .
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You have two BAs and a Law? Wow! 
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May 8, 2003, 22:02
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Yeah... I graduated with a double major in Political Science and Economics with a minor in History from Rutgers. And now I'm in Emory Law School.
I'm HOPING that gets me a nice starting salary  .
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May 8, 2003, 22:22
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How in the world is History above Psychology? I know Psych is an intro. college degree, but History? Come on!
(if you can't tell, psych is my undergrad major)
...but as soon as grad school comes around...Criminal Justice, baby!
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May 8, 2003, 22:25
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One guy I know just has a BComm. He has been working on his CFA and has a couple levels already. He doesn't have an MBA.
The other is an MBA.
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Undergrad doesn't count for much. CFA and good school MBA seem to be a starting point in USA. Actually standard approach is to get foot in the door, immediately receive pressure to do CFA. Then when CFA is done you can go places, if you didn't suffer nervous breakdown along the way.
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