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The hilarious bit is they seem baffled as to why the Yanks might not be too pleased with them at the moment.
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May 17, 2003, 02:15
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Maybe it only takes twice. They rolled over like a good ***** the third time. Hmmm...
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They must have liked it!
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May 17, 2003, 02:18
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 I started to say that.
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May 17, 2003, 02:18
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Exactly, NYE- "You mean THEY have the right to object, too? Sacre bleu!"
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May 17, 2003, 02:20
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i can't believe so many people subscribe to this anti-French rubbish 
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May 17, 2003, 02:24
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i can't believe so many people subscribe to this anti-French rubbish
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Ditto.
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May 17, 2003, 02:25
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You can't believe that people recognize that the French are our rivals? Even though Devillepin has said as much himself? Odd.
They have every right to be, BTW.
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May 17, 2003, 02:28
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i can't believe so many people subscribe to this anti-French rubbish
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What rubbish? This is not the first time they have set themselves up at odds with their erst-while allies.
Do you know much about them and NATO during the Cold War?
How are most Canadians supposed to be inclined to them when their president expounded on the desirability of the dissolution of our country on a state visit? "Vive le Quebec libre!"
Well, fvck them!
Their governments have been tw@ts! They have been, they are, and I can see no reason why they shall not prove themselves again in the future.
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May 17, 2003, 02:28
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Nope, what seems to baffle the French is that anti-french jingoism is running rampant even in the better US news media, and that it is fed by rumours and propaganda lies from Washington. That's somewhat new.
Just bad luck for the French government that the french media won't play along. At least not yet.
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May 17, 2003, 02:29
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Jeez, NYE, we have had some run-ins, but I guess we have more in common than I thought. Salute!
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May 17, 2003, 02:31
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Honestly, Hersh, have you read Le Monde? How can you say such silly things?
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May 17, 2003, 02:31
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Nope, what seems to baffle the French is that anti-french jingoism is running rampant even in the better US news media,
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The Washington Times? 
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May 17, 2003, 02:31
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My God, so much talk about something that will ultimately come to nothing in the end. Keep on ranting and eating your freedom fries, it will all add to the fun of pointing and laughing at you when nobodys talking about evil France anymore.
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May 17, 2003, 02:35
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gsm, you think France is "evil"? I don't, I just recognize that they have interests and ambitions which diverge from ours. Should we not frankly aknowledege that fact, and act accordingly?
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May 17, 2003, 02:36
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LoneWolf, who doesn't. We always act accordingly by serving our own interests, even if they diverge from the interests of our allies.
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May 17, 2003, 02:40
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Honestly, Hersh, have you read Le Monde? How can you say such silly things?
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I read Le Monde occasionally. Where do you see anything that compares?
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May 17, 2003, 02:41
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Don't recall any other Western nation setting themselves up at odds with NATO during the Cold War, or wishing well to the people who sought to tear a country apart which had recently sent it's sons off to die on their beaches for their liberty.
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May 17, 2003, 02:42
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Of course not. But even the NY Times is not immune. It loves to blow up fat stories about antisemitic France, it parrots every government rubbish (attributed, but that doesn't matter much), and it has that clown Safire who makes up stuff as he goes along.
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May 17, 2003, 02:45
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But even the NY Times is not immune.
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Does France really care about a paper in the midst of turning itself into a complete joke on the level of the New York Post?
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and it has that clown Safire who makes up stuff as he goes along.
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People in the US don't generally read editorials for news.
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May 17, 2003, 02:48
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WAAAAAAAAH!!!!
**** em. If our rough language hurts them, they can do something back. Like um say bad stuff or something.
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May 17, 2003, 02:49
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LoneWolf, who doesn't. We always act accordingly by serving our own interests, even if they diverge from the interests of our allies.
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Bingo. So why is pointing out that they cannot be relied upon to support us, and in fact view themselves to be another "pole" for anti-American attitudes to rally around, "France-bashing rubbish"?
And why, then, should we not treat the French as the adversaries they have chosen to be?
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May 17, 2003, 02:50
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Maybe they can use the Force de Frappe? 
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May 17, 2003, 02:53
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Does France really care about a paper in the midst of turning itself into a complete joke on the level of the New York Post?
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No, unless it is a symptom of a broader problem. And rampant anti-europeanism has always been there, it just got worse. I loved it when a US news networks opened a report about Waldheim with a map of Austria in brown and a Swastika over it. Goebbbels would be proud of them.
As for Safire: editorials are not news, fine, but why should they be completely detached from reality, rather than giving an opinion on facts?
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May 17, 2003, 02:54
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**** em. If our rough language hurts them, they can do something back. Like um say bad stuff or something.
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Funny you say that, as the Americans are much worse sissys than the French in this little exchange.
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May 17, 2003, 02:56
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Bingo. So why is pointing out that they cannot be relied upon to support us, and in fact view themselves to be another "pole" for anti-American attitudes to rally around, "France-bashing rubbish"?
And why, then, should we not treat the French as the adversaries they have chosen to be?
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I don't care. Do whatever you like, rant as much as you like, in the end it will make little difference in French-US relations. I just find it funny that so many posters here are willing to go along with the fad of French bashing with such serious comments.
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May 17, 2003, 02:56
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Hersh: Hard to argue in the abstract, but I get the impression that it is Safire's opinions, not his facts, that bother you so.
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May 17, 2003, 02:59
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Funny you say that, as the Americans are much worse sissys than the French in this little exchange.
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Alright now I'm shamed especially in light of Chirac's diareha of the mouth.
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May 17, 2003, 03:01
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Safire as such doesn't bother me, the least his opinions. The guy writes quite well, but when he makes up supposed statements of german ministers, hallucinates about friendship between Chirac and Saddam and stuff like that, it's just totally silly. He should write that in the funny farm, not in a newspaper.
It's also quite odd to me. While there is no sharp destinction between news and opinion in european papers (exception UK tabloids - and in the US, it's mostly a fiction anyway), there hardly is the kind of editorial that's totally fictional.
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May 17, 2003, 03:02
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I really do want to reconcile with the French, really! But my fries have never tested so good as since I started with the new name.
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May 17, 2003, 03:05
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As for the connection between Chirac and Saddam, there was something written on this subject which was quite damning (not by Safire, but I don't recall who), so this is not a "hallucination".
And Hersh, your anti-Americanism oozes from every pore (for example-"in the US, mostly a fiction ,anyway"), so your views on this issue are not really all that compelling.
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