France issues 'please explain' to US - Page 5

Pekka · May 17, 2003, 05:07

Yes.. 'is Windows stable enough? Do we need more RAM, we're in trouble if Windows sends error message: Not enough memory when we try to surrender via E-mail!'

j/k.

Rogan Josh · May 17, 2003, 05:08

Good grief! Can't you Ameriwhiners just grow up!

France is a democratic nation. Its people didn't want France to back the war, so its government didn't back it.

Would you rather have the US being the only democracy in the world? ..... Well, I suppose you lot would so that then you could invade whomever you please and carp on about how the US is superior to everyone else.

I'll tell you one thing - if it came down to taking sides, Europe would all back France over the US - including Britain. So France is hardly 'screwed'.

Pekka · May 17, 2003, 05:09

Rogan Josh, are you sure? Are you sure France hasn't pissed any other European countries off? I'm sure France would get lots of backing, but 100% support is a bit off scale.

Rogan Josh · May 17, 2003, 05:11

I'm sure. In fact, it is without question, because undoubtably the US would be the aggressor as usual.

The Mad Monk · May 17, 2003, 05:12

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Originally posted by notyoueither

If you think Iraq was some misplaced step in what the Yanks have planned for OBL, I have a bridge to sell you in London.

Was it an obvious step in anti-terrorist efforts? No. However, it was not as if Saddam's hands were clean of the splatter from terrorism, and now... the Yanks are on the ground adjacent to SA, Iran, and Syria. The bases are being moved out of SA. Do you want to buy a clue?

Pekka · May 17, 2003, 05:12

Rogan Josh, in case of US being the aggressor, then it might go like you said. If clear one-sided aggression, I agree, we'd all just get behind you, I'm sure.

Spiffor · May 17, 2003, 05:21

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Originally posted by Rogan Josh
I'll tell you one thing - if it came down to taking sides, Europe would all back France over the US - including Britain. So France is hardly 'screwed'.

Chirac, in his greatness and wiseness, has managed to piss many countries and their inhabitants off very mightily. His STFU to Eastern countries was outrageous, and was way more arrogant than any speech held by a Rumsfeld.
His attempt to create a Rhine-centred European bloc is absolutely stupid : as Pekka told brilliantly, what's the use for non-involved country to stop being dependant on the US, only to become dependant of France & Germany ?

Really, the megalomaniacal delusions of Chirac make many Europeans pissed at us despite a high initial support as the leading anti-war country.

Lancer · May 17, 2003, 06:21

France pissed all over the relationship and now wonders why it stinks. Stupid shits.

Spiffor · May 17, 2003, 06:25

Yes, yes. Obviously, the US wasn't pissing on the relationship too

Both countries are to blame for this diplomatic failure. But I suppose you'll just blame it all on the French. After all, the French must be guilty of everything bad in the world.

Lancer · May 17, 2003, 06:30

Yes, the French are to blame, the US is not. The US didn't piss on the relationship, the French did.

The French are NOT guilty of every bad thing in the world, that's the Canadians.

HershOstropoler · May 17, 2003, 06:35

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Originally posted by Spiffor

Chirac, in his greatness and wiseness, has managed to piss many countries and their inhabitants off very mightily.

Well, those with the best reason to be pissed would be us, after the EU-14 farce, where Chirac was the loudest of the dimwits, and the most ardent in keeping the nonsense going.

But guess what - Bush's annoyance factor is so high that Chirac's sins are pretty much forgiven.

"His attempt to create a Rhine-centred European bloc is absolutely stupid"

Well it is, but so far everyone has learned some simple maths lesson, eg that 58 is less than 169.

Rogan Josh · May 17, 2003, 06:41

It was the Americans who aggressively attacked another sovereign nation. It was the Americans who pissed on their relationship with the entire world. Not the French.

It is just that the American kiddies can't take resonsibility for their own actions, so try and find some other reason why the entire world hates them. So they blame the French instead - it makes them happy to have someone else to blame and whine about.

Something smells here.... I think Lancer needs his diaper changing.

Lancer · May 17, 2003, 06:46

Eh, Rogan, most of europe supported us. Our relationship w/ the world is great. The French are the ones feeling the squeeze.

"Itwas the Americans who aggressively attacked another sovereign nation. "

Poor peaceful Iraq. :sniff:

Menlas · May 17, 2003, 08:50

Wow, a good ol' anti-french thread ! It has been a while since the last one, I suppose some posters here were frustrated...

The funniest thing is, there's always one or two dumb*** to speak about the England/France wars, or WW2

. It has nothing to do with the subject, but I suppose those people don't care about keeping on-topic

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I'll only say that, if anti-americanism of our medias and politicians had been half as high as France-bashing is in the US, they would probably have declared a war on us

Oh, and by the way...

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Originally posted by Lancer
Our relationship w/ the world is great

is almost sig material, Lancer...

Lancer · May 17, 2003, 09:00

Perhaps, but France came crawling to the US looking for forgiveness.

I LIKE that. Repentant ***** that pissed on the carpet and goes bellying up to the master of the house begging for a break.

Sig THAT.

Menlas · May 17, 2003, 09:34

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Originally posted by Lancer
Perhaps, but France came crawling to the US looking for forgiveness. :

Lol

...we probably didn't read the same article...
I just saw a country asking another to stop the stupid bashing, that's probably what you consider beeing "looking for forgiveness"

Lefty Scaevola · May 17, 2003, 10:47

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Originally posted by cia
The French only have velvet gloves

oh, and maybe silk...

Whats the famous quote about Talleyrand and French dimplomacy?

"A piece of s**t in a silk stocking"

Seems nothing changes.

SlowwHand · May 17, 2003, 10:51

If Menlas is correct, the French are just, once again, pissing on their shoes.

The bashing has it's reasons.
All they want to do, is call for a do-over.

Spiffor · May 17, 2003, 11:08

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Originally posted by SlowwHand
If Menlas is correct, the French are just, once again, pissing on their shoes.

May you enlighten me with an explanation of this sentence ?

DinoDoc · May 17, 2003, 11:23

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Originally posted by BeBro
Now this was really an insult

Menlas: If it is any consolation, I didn't start the thread with such things in mind.

Menlas · May 17, 2003, 11:29

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Menlas: If it is any consolation, I didn't start the thread with such things in mind.

I know, I wasn't speaking about you

Shi Huangdi · May 17, 2003, 11:31

Why is France all of a sudden whining about anti-Europeanism, what does exist of it here, in the US? There has been a strong Anti-Americanism in Europe for a very long time, especially moreso since Bush became President in the US. In fact you yourself Spiffor admit you boycott US cultural products(though at least you didn't vanadalize a McDonalds like others did, though from what I heard that got the perpertrators considered heros). If Europe wants to dish it out, it should be ready to take it.

DAVOUT · May 17, 2003, 11:57

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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Nope, what seems to baffle the French is that anti-french jingoism is running rampant even in the better US news media, and that it is fed by rumours and propaganda lies from Washington. That's somewhat new.

This summarizes perfectly the point.

As we are always indulgent with the Americans, till now we believed that the 1109 trauma explained that you acted as if history had begun this day. But two points make this attitude no longer appropriate :

- if history started on 1109, why do so many posters base their hatred on extremely old facts occurred in the Middle Age?

- it is unprecedented, except in the cold war period, that one country speaks in such uncivilized manner about another country with which it is not at war. This technique is only used for preparing the public opinion to the war. As nobody is expecting the US to break the sacred rule that democracies do not fight each other, there is an incoherence to solve. This is the meaning, IMHO, of the question asked to the US government.

DinoDoc · May 17, 2003, 12:02

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Originally posted by DAVOUT
As nobody is expecting the US to break the sacred rule that democracies do not fight each other,

This is neither a rule nor is it anything sacred. [/pet peave]

PS - if history started on 1109, why do so many posters base their hatred on extremely old facts occurred in the Middle Age?

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't 1109 in the period commonl;y refered to as the Middle Ages? [/yet another pet peave]

DAVOUT · May 17, 2003, 12:12

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
This is neither a rule nor is it anything sacred. [/pet peave]

PS - if history started on 1109, why do so many posters base their hatred on extremely old facts occurred in the Middle Age?

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't 1109 in the period commonl;y refered to as the Middle Ages? [/yet another pet peave]

I am willing to edit the sentence in order to please your pet :

nobody is expecting the US to break the consistently observed fact that democracies do not fight each other.

... and the date which I aknowledge was ambiguously formatted : I was referring to September 11, 2001.

DinoDoc · May 17, 2003, 12:15

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Originally posted by DAVOUT
nobody is expecting the US to break the consistently observed fact that democracies do not fight each other.

It isn't consistently observed either.

DAVOUT · May 17, 2003, 12:18

Exemples, please.

Jaakko · May 17, 2003, 12:23

Looks like the military knowledge of certain posters on the other side of the big pond is getting dangerously low.

We need an MBT thread, stat!

Whaleboy · May 17, 2003, 12:24

Have any of the Americans posting against the french, calling them "not the sharpest knives in the draw", "screwed", "immature behaviour" etc etc, ever actually been to Franch, understood the society, culture and history, or indeed have any experience with that nation other than what they read and see in the media?

Before you arrogantly start spouting xenophobic, ethnocentric propaganda at other nations, at least try to be objective and understand, otherwise you would merely be playing into the stereotype of the isolationist, patriotic American, which I know to be false, but many do not.

America should ensure that its negative stereotypes are destroyed, and realise that it is a nation of individuals, who are capable of thinking for themselves, and taking the media and government with a pinch of salt.

As for the French, they did what they felt was the best thing, as did the Americans, in having respective opposing views. I think it is somewhat silly to penalise France for doing that, it really doesn't help anyone, it is an emotion, irrational, subjective action, that should form no basis for international relations in this day and age. Lets leave that kinda thing in the 19th century, where it belongs.

Kirnwaffen · May 17, 2003, 12:32

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"immature behaviour"

If you're referring to my post, that phrase referred to the behavior of the Americans. I'm not taking sides in this issue, just pointing out that it is a bit silly that the French are so surprised that they are being smeared in the US media(the scope of which is being exagerated, to a large extent), when they used the same tactic pre-war.