The U.S. is in a road which can ONLY end in eventual despotism......

Vesayen · May 20, 2003, 16:00

*sigh*

It WONT be bloody but it WILL happen eventually-my prayer is that it dosent happen in my lifetime-but proboably in my childrens(if I ever have any).

The average American is caring less and less about politics and world events as times goes on, and voter turnout continues to drop...

In a system, where the people are completley uncaring, what is to prevent a charasmatic leader from simply taking power that he shouldnt have gradually-when there is little to no resistance against him?

I dont see how events can play out any other way.......Im afraid the next world changing evil despot(Hitler size) will be the leader of an America populated by people even more apathetic and uncaring than today.

SlowwHand · May 20, 2003, 16:02

I'm watched as you emotionally lost it.
Have you considered a counselor of some kind ?

Az · May 20, 2003, 16:03

I hope you're wrong. But I see your point.

DaShi · May 20, 2003, 16:05

Eh, what are you going to do?

Vesayen · May 20, 2003, 16:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Azazel
I hope you're wrong. But I see your point.

I hope im wrong too-but I doubt it.

Oerdin · May 20, 2003, 16:06

I'm sorry but I just can't...

oedo · May 20, 2003, 16:09

wer zuletzt lacht, lacht am besten.

Whaleboy · May 20, 2003, 16:09

I sincerely hope you are wrong, but I think you may be correct and can see it happening. The USA PATRIOT act is a good example of that, and I think that America that love the concepts their nation stands for, as opposed to the government and idea of "knowing your role", should stand up for their rights.

Whaleboy · May 20, 2003, 16:15

Sloww: I'd have thought you'd be against the feds!?!?! Up the conferderacy!

Vesayen · May 20, 2003, 16:16

Quote:

Originally posted by elijah
I sincerely hope you are wrong, but I think you may be correct and can see it happening. The USA PATRIOT act is a good example of that, and I think that America that love the concepts their nation stands for, as opposed to the government and idea of "knowing your role", should stand up for their rights.

When the patriot act was introduced and there was opposition, people said "Oh dont worry".... then it gets re-ratified later.....permanently.

The process will continue gradually and slowly, with things like that.

Arrian · May 20, 2003, 16:17

A descent into despotism is a possibility (few things are impossible), but claiming it is inevitable is just silly. Take a deep breath, any medication you may need, and relax. Voter turnout & apathy are not good things, but the sky isn't falling.

-Arrian

Giancarlo · May 20, 2003, 16:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Vesayen
*sigh*

It WONT be bloody but it WILL happen eventually-my prayer is that it dosent happen in my lifetime-but proboably in my childrens(if I ever have any).

The average American is caring less and less about politics and world events as times goes on, and voter turnout continues to drop...

In a system, where the people are completley uncaring, what is to prevent a charasmatic leader from simply taking power that he shouldnt have gradually-when there is little to no resistance against him?

I dont see how events can play out any other way.......Im afraid the next world changing evil despot(Hitler size) will be the leader of an America populated by people even more apathetic and uncaring than today.

Yes true and I am on the road of becoming a communist.

Contradictions, oh, blatant contradictions.

But then again I am not American. I prefer a police state than being dead. In Spain we got a 70,000 Civil Guard that interferes heavily with daily life.. now why doesn't your national guard do that?

We shut down newspapers and everything that promote terrorism. And we are in Europe.

So if you think the US has less freedom than Europe, what planet are you on?

The US is a very free country.

Whaleboy · May 20, 2003, 16:19

Elijahs rule of thumb: Whenever a government said "Its for their own protection", I am always alerted to a totalitarian state.

Dissent is what made America great, and is what will make it better. There is nothing more [empowering] to be right when the government is wrong (i replaced dangerous).

Az · May 20, 2003, 16:20

Oerdin: "By laughing at your opinions, I discredit them".

Elijah: you know, only a DL would say something like that.

Whaleboy · May 20, 2003, 16:21

Fez: Freedom rocks!

http://www.geocities.com/dream_of_the_prophecy/mill.htm

Enjoy! Its a first draft, im working on a second, its my new referral piece!

Whaleboy · May 20, 2003, 16:22

Whats a DL?

Giancarlo · May 20, 2003, 16:25

Quote:

Originally posted by elijah
Fez: Freedom rocks!

http://www.geocities.com/dream_of_the_prophecy/mill.htm

Enjoy! Its a first draft, im working on a second, its my new referral piece!

Only a DL would list such a dumb site. And only a DL would use geoshities.

You are just another anarchist.. or the DL of an anarchist here.

DL means double login.

Ned · May 20, 2003, 16:28

Quote:

Originally posted by Vesayen

The average American is caring less and less about politics and world events as times goes on, and voter turnout continues to drop...

Voter turnout continues to drop as more and more Democrats become dillusioned with their own party and cannot bring themselves to vote Republican.

I expect, though, this trend will reverse decisively in the next election. Bush has been a strong president. The Democrats should nominate an equally strong opponent who opposes everything Bush stands for: Security and Tax Cuts. The people will respond, and in my view, resoundingly reject the Democrat quisling just as once they rejected McGovern.

Az · May 20, 2003, 16:29

Yo Elijah! Mill is not about liberty! Mill is about utility!

Whaleboy · May 20, 2003, 16:30

Oooo I already been done for that weeks ago!

but am not any more!

Why do you say that though, I dont see how it is relevant. I am not an anarchist, although I am close, but purely philosophically, in the libertarian socialist sense. Dont associate that with the usual connotations of no rules, no hierarchies etc, because if you read my article, you'll see it doesnt work.

Sure its pretty skeletal (Im working on it) but I'd hardly call 2 hours of straight up typing "dumb"! Why do you say that? Seriously, I want to make it better, my article up there is but a first draft. And yes geocities is appaling, but so is the state of my disposable income! I'll buy a proper site soon.

Giancarlo · May 20, 2003, 16:31

Well elijah, we all know what kinds of failures leftism produces. Just keep it out of my future and I won't ***** and moan about it.

Vesayen · May 20, 2003, 16:31

Quote:

Originally posted by Ned
Voter turnout continues to drop as more and more Democrats become dillusioned with their own party and cannot bring themselves to vote Republican.

I thought this was just me, I never thought that this was a mass phenomina-but it DOES make sense, and describes me EXACTLY......

I dont know who im voting for in the next election.... wont be democrat or republican, thats for sure.

Whaleboy · May 20, 2003, 16:31

"Yo Elijah! Mill is not about liberty! Mill is about utility"

You read "On Liberty"? He alluded to the idea, I like to think I merely worked on it. Its not an ode to Mill though.

Whaleboy · May 20, 2003, 16:33

"we all know what kinds of failures leftism produces"

No, really??

Its not leftism, I suppose technically, you could see it is right wing, but not in the present day context. Its kinda beyond left and right though, off hand I can think of at least 4 dimensions in addition to the one dimensional political (left right) spectrum. Its more of a hypersphere than a line.

Az · May 20, 2003, 16:33

Utilitarianism.

Liberty: Sure, whatever.

Whaleboy · May 20, 2003, 16:34

Read the article! lol I'm not going to explain all that again... I had 7 hours of exams today, my hand is killing me.... NO COMMENTS!

Giancarlo · May 20, 2003, 16:35

Quote:

Originally posted by elijah
"we all know what kinds of failures leftism produces"

No, really??

Its not leftism, I suppose technically, you could see it is right wing, but not in the present day context. Its kinda beyond left and right though, off hand I can think of at least 4 dimensions in addition to the one dimensional political (left right) spectrum. Its more of a hypersphere than a line.

Well you are neither right authoritarian nor right libertarian.

I am tired of hearing about socialists, communists, nutcases, anarchists.. they are all the same to me. Nut cases. You can preach your own beliefs but stay far away from me.

Whaleboy · May 20, 2003, 16:35

Show me an American who doesnt love liberty? Once the cloak of the flag that the government is using to justify everything now, is removed, people will surely see things in their true light.

Az · May 20, 2003, 16:37

Quote:

Read the article! lol I'm not going to explain all that again... I had 7 hours of exams today, my hand is killing me.... NO COMMENTS!

I read the article. Just commenting on MY PERSONAL beliefs.

Giancarlo · May 20, 2003, 16:38

Quote:

Originally posted by elijah
Show me an American who doesnt love liberty? Once the cloak of the flag that the government is using to justify everything now, is removed, people will surely see things in their true light.

You don't preach liberty. Che Guevara didn't preach liberty. It was all bullshit.