Judaism's GREATEST misconception......

Vesayen · May 21, 2003, 21:15

My friend was curious and confused, so I'm going to post what I said to him.....

Jews hope and pray for a day when there are no Jews, and no need for them.

Now before you say "huh"-let me explain

Have you ever seen a Jew going door to door trying to convert people? They dont heh-ever. There is no such thing(or ever has been in world history) as a Jewish missionary.

Judaism isnt about converting everyone to the religion, so they can "embrace the power of the one true God", and God dosent smite the non believers(If you follow the noakide laws... dont steal, commit adultery, kill... those kind of basic society things, i.e. love your bro ther as yourself)-nor are Jews supposed to look down on them.

Judaism has NOTHING to do with a messiah or an afterlife, both of which are not mentioned in the torah in more then a passing referance.

Jews are supposed to live their lives by certain rules(most of which are "good society" stuff, at the root of all Jewish law, even Kosher laws, is stuff which is good for society, love your brother, etc) in hopes that other people will see them, be inspired by the example and live better lives themselves.

If Jew's are kind, caring, loving, charitable and the rest, they hope that others will think to themsleves "hey, thats really nice, why dont I do that?", and through that way the whole world can become a better place.

There is no candy (heaven) when Jews die, just knowing that you obeyed God and did your best to make the world a better place-and leaving it to him in hopes that something nice will proboably happen to you when you die, but you dont know what, and dont concern yourself with it.

Its Jew's hope that in the future everyone will love each other, and they arent needed anymore-Jew's are supposed to be God's PR agents to a degree I guess heh.

When realizing the motivations for all the rules, its much easier to follow them.

If Jew's intermarry, who is there to help make the world a better place on God's behalf? It's our responsability, no one elses. If you want to help-the more power to you, but you arent expected to. That is the reason that Jew's are so vehemouthly against inter-marriage. It has NOTHING to do with a superiority complex, quite the opposite infact.

(Note: The Torah says almost nothing about a messiah and most of it was tacked on later... Judaism really isnt about waiting for a messiah, its about making the world a better place through action)

Asher · May 21, 2003, 21:18

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Originally posted by Vesayen
My friend was curious and confused

I liked where this was going, until the second sentence.

Vesayen · May 21, 2003, 21:21

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Originally posted by Asher

I liked where this was going, until the second sentence.

lol

Boris Godunov · May 21, 2003, 21:22

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Originally posted by Vesayen
If Jew's are kind, caring, loving, charitable and the rest, they hope that others will think to themsleves "hey, thats really nice, why dont I do that?", and through that way the whole world can become a better place.

This is exactly the core of my moral existence.

Vesayen · May 21, 2003, 21:23

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov

This is exactly the core of my moral existence.

Then your as good as any Jew by Jewish law

Just curious, are you Jewish?

Boris Godunov · May 21, 2003, 21:25

Nope, I'm as WASP as they come!

Well, not the P part. I'm of Protestant heritage, but am not religious at all.

EDIT: I suppose I'm a WASHASS. White Anglo-Saxon Homosexual Atheist Sexy Stud.

Asher · May 21, 2003, 21:26

My family is protestant also. Where does the name come from, anyway?

Boris Godunov · May 21, 2003, 21:27

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Originally posted by Asher
My family is protestant also. Where does the name come from, anyway?

What name?

Vesayen · May 21, 2003, 21:28

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Originally posted by Asher
My family is protestant also. Where does the name come from, anyway?

I would assume Martin Luthers disagreemant..... i.e. protest?

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Nope, I'm as WASP as they come!

Well, not the P part. I'm of Protestant heritage, but am not religious at all.

EDIT: I suppose I'm a WASHASS. White Anglo-Saxon Homosexual Atheist Sexy Stud.

Wash Ass?

Boris Godunov · May 21, 2003, 21:29

Pablo, are you washing your ass?

Asher · May 21, 2003, 21:30

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
What name?

Paco Montoya

Boris Godunov · May 21, 2003, 21:31

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Originally posted by Asher

Paco Montoya

The driver?

Agathon · May 21, 2003, 21:31

You know, if you say you are God's chosen people and it's your mission in life to make things right for the rest of us and that we're screwed nor matter what we do, no wonder people get pissed off.

I sense a heady dose of secularism is needed here.

Asher · May 21, 2003, 21:32

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
The driver?

Could be, I was thinking along the lines of "Prepare to die!" though.

Vesayen · May 21, 2003, 21:36

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Originally posted by Agathon
You know, if you say you are God's chosen people and it's your mission in life to make things right for the rest of us and that we're screwed nor matter what we do, no wonder people get pissed off.

I sense a heady dose of secularism is needed here.

Jews arent supposed to get people to acknowledge God is great-or even exist, they are just supposed to get people to be nice to each other(oh, and not worship idols heh).

Boris Godunov · May 21, 2003, 21:37

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Originally posted by Asher

Could be, I was thinking along the lines of "Prepare to die!" though.

That's Inego Montoya.

My name is Inego Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die.

Frankychan · May 21, 2003, 21:41

you know...there are a lot of Jeqish people here. Maybe we should ask them about your opinion on this matter?

Asher · May 21, 2003, 21:41

I know his name, but Paco is the de facto Spanish name.

Tuberski · May 21, 2003, 21:41

Inigo Montoya.

You spelling Nazi!

ACK!

Vesayen · May 21, 2003, 21:45

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Originally posted by Frankychan
you know...there are a lot of Jeqish people here. Maybe we should ask them about your opinion on this matter?

Azrael and Elly will agree with me im sure.

Agathon · May 21, 2003, 21:51

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Originally posted by Vesayen

Jews arent supposed to get people to acknowledge God is great-or even exist, they are just supposed to get people to be nice to each other(oh, and not worship idols heh).

Yeah, I know. I studied the great religions as an undergraduate. This doesn't bother me (since I ignore all religions) but I hope you can see how many people would find this quite patronising.

I also get depressed when I walk around Toronto and see posters advertising talks on how to stop Jewish young people from marrying Gentiles. I'm opposed to this for three reasons:

(1) It's just wrong to put that kind of pressure on your children. People should be able to marry and breed with whomever they want, free of religious interference (this counts for everyone, not just the Jewish faith).

(2) This creates a lot of prejudice against the Jewish community because it looks to most people (even though it isn't in most cases) as if they are good enough to live in the same community as Jewish people but not good enough to court their sons and daughters.

(3) I find racial purity to be a repugant and nazi-like ideal, and one that has no basis in scientific fact.

Boris Godunov · May 21, 2003, 21:52

I sincerely hope there is never a lack of Jewish people. I would miss the feasts too much.

Agathon · May 21, 2003, 21:53

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I sincerely hope there is never a lack of Jewish people. I would miss the feasts too much.

Yes, the food has a lot to recommend it.

Vesayen · May 21, 2003, 22:05

"I also get depressed when I walk around Toronto and see posters advertising talks on how to stop Jewish young people from marrying Gentiles. I'm opposed to this for three reasons:"

(1) It's just wrong to put that kind of pressure on your children. People should be able to marry and breed with whomever they want, free of religious interference (this counts for everyone, not just the Jewish faith)."

The way we see it, who else will be here to be God's PR agents if there are no Jews left?

"(2) This creates a lot of prejudice against the Jewish community because it looks to most people (even though it isn't in most cases) as if they are good enough to live in the same community as Jewish people but not good enough to court their sons and daughters."

My parents would be dissapointed if I didnt marry a Jew, but they wouldnt hate me.....

(3) I find racial purity to be a repugant and nazi-like ideal, and one that has no basis in scientific fact."

NOT AT ALL IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM is that whats going on... it has NOTHING to do with superiority or inferiority. We understand that the rules God gave us are hard for most people-you arent expected to do them, or looked down for not doing them, those rules dont apply to you at all! Jews only mary Jews to try to keep that message alive-it has NOTHING to do with someone not being good enough-I wish I could stress this stronger then I can through typing it on some message board. It has NOTHING to do with racism-Jews dont think they are better then anyone else.

Agathon · May 21, 2003, 22:06

I know this, but it doesn't look that way to a lot of people.

Dr Strangelove · May 21, 2003, 22:06

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Nope, I'm as WASP as they come!

Well, not the P part. I'm of Protestant heritage, but am not religious at all.

EDIT: I suppose I'm a WASHASS. White Anglo-Saxon Homosexual Atheist Sexy Stud.

By Jove Boris, I believe you've coined a brand new acronym! You've got something real to put on your CV now.

Sandman · May 21, 2003, 22:11

Why on earth should 'God's PR men' be decided via inheritence?

Cookie Monster · May 21, 2003, 22:12

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Pablo, are you washing your ass?

Come to Florida honey.

Aro · May 21, 2003, 22:12

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Originally posted by Frankychan
you know...there are a lot of Jewish people here. Maybe we should ask them about your opinion on this matter?

Agreed...

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Originally posted by Vesayen

If Jew's intermarry, who is there to help make the world a better place on God's behalf? It's our responsability, no one elses. If you want to help-the more power to you, but you arent expected to. That is the reason that Jew's are so vehemouthly against inter-marriage. It has NOTHING to do with a superiority complex, quite the opposite infact.

There's a lot of diversity in the jewish people: blonde people with blue eyes, they can be tall or short people, or have black eyes and heavy black hair (like my sister), red hair with white skin, big noses, small noses, dark skin... even black jewish people (there's a tribe in Ethiopia, IIRC). A friend of mine looks like an Arab (and he has troubles in all airport in the USA...

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I think the Jewish people have inter-married A LOT in the last 2000 years.

Vesayen · May 21, 2003, 22:15

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Originally posted by Sandman
Why on earth should 'God's PR men' be decided via inheritence?

You mean inheritance by birth?

Its not exclusive..... if others want to become his PR agents, they can join(Judaism always welcomes converts-but dosent activley go to recuirt them) and will be more then welcome(My aunt, whom I love and is devout, is a convert).