May 26, 2003, 11:00
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Besides, we can ask all who has served, and then make a poll if they thought it was worth it or not. I bet HUGE majority will say they don't have any regrets, and that they are glad that they joined.
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May 26, 2003, 11:01
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Oh well, thought you might have redeeming value there for a sec...
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Sorry, but I'm a demon 
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May 26, 2003, 11:02
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I thought about the army,
Dad said "Son, you're fucking high."
And I thought "Yeah there's a first for everything."
So I took my old man's advice...
Ben Folds Five - Army.
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May 26, 2003, 11:03
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Also, he's still 15 so it's still 2 years away.. youngsters change their minds all the time. If he still wants to go at 17.. then I guess he's just firm about it and really really wants to go.
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May 26, 2003, 11:13
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Used to need parental permition at 17. If it's still the case you have the option to say no. Not a good option though...
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May 26, 2003, 11:28
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Is it just me, or is the sort of person who nicknames themselves 'Apocalypse' really the sort of person we want as an officer in the US military? 
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Hey, I named myself that about 1/3 of my life ago (almost 6 years). Back when I first came to this board I was actually communist. I've matured though and hopefully Tass will too.
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May 26, 2003, 11:52
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matured??
he has a 15 year old son!
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May 26, 2003, 11:59
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Just because someone has a son doesn't mean they are mature.
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May 26, 2003, 12:00
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Not to mention, we aren't even sure he has a son.
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May 26, 2003, 12:00
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I wouldn't be concerned Tass.
Anyways, even with the war, statistically, I think you are more likely to die in civilian life than in service.
If I were a parent, I wouldn't care if my kid wanted to join the military. I've had many friends and relatives who have done so. It's a good experience and despite the immoral policies of the current president, a very honorable and moral course for one's life.
Tass, if you really want to discourage him (I assume its a him), then inform him that his life is in the hands of Dubya. That's reason enough for me not to join the military.
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May 26, 2003, 12:01
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If he thinks you are dead set against i, peraps that will only push hi further in this path you don;t want him to go through. Right now, just tell him OK. Wait a year. Maybe in that year he will change his mind. Rememebr, as MtG aid, you have until he is 18 to stop him if at the end you think that would be wise, if your son trully wants to join up.
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May 26, 2003, 12:04
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You should remember, that while many people here are ex-military (or even current), only one of them has turned out to be MtG. The military, while it has much to offer, also takes your personality away.
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May 26, 2003, 12:06
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You should remember, that while many people here are ex-military (or even current), only one of them has turned out to be MtG. The military, while it has much to offer, also takes your personality away.
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Are you afraid that he'll turn out to be GP?
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May 26, 2003, 12:06
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Are you afraid that he'll turn out to be GP?
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I'm sure Tass is 
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May 26, 2003, 12:49
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Two years is a long time for a lad of 15. When I was 15, I wanted to be an astrophysicist, now a few years later I'm a writer!
It wont help to explain how you feel about it, he may well feel the same as the more pro-america, pro-military, right wing people on here. No disrespect intended of course, we do have differing views but both are equally valid.
I guess the best you can do is explain your case to him in a reasoned manner, interfacing with his own assumptions. Someone said that if he's 17, he needs your consent, in which case, get him to present you with a reasoned case for him joining. Its how my parents brought me up, and I consider it to be a good asset of mine.
When he's able to make his choice on his own, then obviously, still present your case, if he still joins, support him. A child has to forge its own decisions when it flies the nest, and make its own mistakes. In that case, the best you can do is be there for the lad and support him.
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May 26, 2003, 13:23
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Make damn sure he finishes high school. There are far better opportunities both in and out of the military for those who do. After that, let him go. His life, his call. The thing to remember is that he's far more likely to be killed in a civillian environment than a military one. In the military, you've got well trained individuals watching your back. Out on the highway, you're on your own.
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May 26, 2003, 14:02
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I agree, highschool needs to be finished.
Besides that, what exactly is the problem? The US military is an excellent institution, and if he gets into an academy, well, that's some pretty top-quality education.
You should be proud, Tassadar, but it is good to really talk with your son and make sure he is doing this for himself, and has given it thought. If he decides this is the right thing for him, you should support him as soon as he graduates. 
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May 26, 2003, 14:17
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How much coffee do you drink every day?
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Maybe a cup a day.
But.....I may have forgotten to mention I have....OCD 
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he didn't claim to be a good one.
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Your son can always do ROTC as well. Does the high school have a branch?
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Unfortunately, no. But we do have a recruiter in the area.....
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Did you lie about the financial distress also?
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What? No
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You are Tiamatting us.
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Resisting lust and such.
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I live in UTAH When in Rome....
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Anyways, even with the war, statistically, I think you are more likely to die in civilian life than in service.
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Link?
elijah: Ya know what? I think I'll do that.
Thanks everyone.
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May 26, 2003, 15:33
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Link for what? It was in an article in today's paper. Only like 150-200 people have died in the military in the past 2 years. I'm not sure of the exact math, but it's a lot less, proportionally, than the civilians that have died.
Note that I'm not specifying a specific cause of death.
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May 26, 2003, 16:21
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At 15 I wanted to go to the Army too... Combat and all... Now I'm willing to risk maybe a half-year, even a year in prison (or more, who knows?) not to. Although I ofcourse am doing my best to dodge it 
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May 26, 2003, 16:23
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I think what happened to you is poetic justice, Tassadar.
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May 26, 2003, 16:38
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Azazel:  Exactly  .
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May 26, 2003, 16:42
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May 26, 2003, 16:43
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Let him go, just be sure you have a more peaceful President before he does.
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May 26, 2003, 16:47
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yes, hold him on a leash until the 04' elections.
Then, as things are looking now, hold him there some more.
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May 26, 2003, 16:54
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Seriously, though, that's an interesting dilemma, Tassadar. How's your kid doing at school?
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May 26, 2003, 18:03
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Make damn sure he finishes high school. There are far better opportunities both in and out of the military for those who do. After that, let him go. His life, his call. The thing to remember is that he's far more likely to be killed in a civillian environment than a military one. In the military, you've got well trained individuals watching your back. Out on the highway, you're on your own.
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hi ,
why should he , if he can run around in 4-5 years time with a degree from a top us school , ....
those years would be a waste of time , .....
get him to (army) school
have a nice day
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May 26, 2003, 19:29
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You gotta let him go Tass.
He's reaching the age where the only way for him to grow is for Daddy to let him grow up and be a man.
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May 26, 2003, 19:36
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You gotta let him go Tass.
He's reaching the age where the only way for him to grow is for Daddy to let him grow up and be a man.
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hi ,
seconded , and no matter what , always support him (!)
no matter how many times he falls , .....
have a nice day
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May 26, 2003, 19:45
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The thing to remember is that he's far more likely to be killed in a civillian environment than a military one.
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Depends on the President. An extremely high number of service personal died during the Reagan administration. IIRC, it was over 19,000. Over eight years with a military of 2.5 million, it's still an extremely high number, considering we were officially at peace. It's a lot harder for the miitary to keep casulaties down when they're secretly at war (not that we'll have to do that anymore).
Tass. Just make sure he graduates from college. Then, as a graduation present (and let him know about this before he enlists), send him to Europe to travel around on his own for a bit.
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