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Oh, I just had a little side trip planned for you... 
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Haha.. I am too cute to get all beaten up.. 
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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May 30, 2003, 17:12
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Oh, I didn't have anything like that in mind for you...
And "cute" is sometimes something you don't want to be.
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May 30, 2003, 17:18
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Oh, I didn't have anything like that in mind for you...
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I am really curious.. what then?
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And "cute" is sometimes something you don't want to be.
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Well I know who not to associate with... I just stay around people who don't have a problem with cute.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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May 30, 2003, 17:23
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So why haven't you joined the CPA, comrade?  
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There is a membership fee, and my mom does't trust sending $ on-line.  (I really doubt thats her true reason though. ) Having to pay to join the CPA is hypocritical.  
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May 30, 2003, 17:25
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Too bad for you commies.. money is what makes this world go around. Since you reject that, you will never make it.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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May 30, 2003, 17:43
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I am really curious.. what then?
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If you knew, it'd ruin it.
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Well I know who not to associate with... I just stay around people who don't have a problem with cute.
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Sometimes, those are the people you most want to avoid.
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May 30, 2003, 17:46
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Well I am a introverted person so I don't have that many friends. I got a few, good friends.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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May 30, 2003, 18:11
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Oh, I just had a "special" place in mind for you. It's pretty notorious with the locals, but a lot of clueless gringos get snared and don't know what they're up against.
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Well I am a introverted person so I don't have that many friends. I got a few, good friends.
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These people would be more friendly to you or anyone than you'd ever want.
The fun is seeing people realize what's up, and run like hell to get out of there while being chased.
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May 30, 2003, 18:50
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Hey MtG... during the Polymeet... if I send you 50 bucks thru Paypal, could you? eh? nevermind...
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May 30, 2003, 19:01
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MtG:
"In 18 months, I'd rate it "probable" but certainly not "pretty certain.""
Most of that list is pretty certain IMO. But we'll see anyway...
I can't for example see how a bunch of neocon whiners with their infantile vindictiveness against France and Germany could manage to deal with a free election in Iraq that results in a government that says "sorry, no bases, sorry, no pork, sorry, we won't kiss Sharon's ass".
"Who's "we?" Enough of the world is dependent enough, (and Burkina Faso would be dependent on capital import if it could attract any)"
Well, so dependent that a bunch of african backwaters couldn't be blackmailed to vote for a SC resolution authorizing the Bushie adventure.
The US has little to offer there - a foreign aid budget that goes mostly to Israel and Egypt, and tied to buying stuff from US corps. A trade policy that is for sale to domestic special interest. A policy in the IMF and Worldbank that is designed to bailout domestic speculators.
"and the US gets massive capital import because those investments are attractive"
Common myth, but completely unsubstantiated and quite implausible.
"I think your (Euro) leaders will need genetic engineering to get some balls. The whole (at least the way its spun in the US) "trying to repair relationships with the US" bit is nauseating."
Agree on the 2nd point - it makes me want to throw up everytime I hear it. On the 1st point, not quite. What they need is some good ass spanking by ballot until they no longer know whether they are a pimp or a whore. That will come if it drags out.
"Reality doesn't count. It's what everyone perceives to be real that counts."
Reality has an odd tendency to be realised.
"The real game isn't to make war in Iran. It's to make noise about making war in Iran, so that people will be distracted from looking at other things to closely."
I really think that a good deal of Washington is totally gaga, so who knows. If it is so, those things have a tendency to take a life on of their own. What happens to the threats if Iran says "put up or shut up"?
"Of course."
I expected agreement on this one.
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May 30, 2003, 19:18
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[SIZE=1] Originally posted by HershOstropoler
"Reality doesn't count. It's what everyone perceives to be real that counts."
Reality has an odd tendency to be realised.
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As an economist, I know that is not the case. Basic and obvious example is expectation. When investiors "expect" something to happen, they do things that actually indirectly make that happen. For example, and actually this is a real example, Argentina goes bust, investors foolishly assume that every latinamerican country has the same problems of Argentina and expect them to go bust, notably Brazil, which is Argentina's biggest trade partner. So, the take their investments out of Brazil for fear that it will collapse, and guess what? Brazil does collapse! But because of so much capital going out of the country.
I'm not sure how to correctly call it in English, but in spanish we call this "expectativas auto-cumplidas" which roughly means self-accomplished expectations.
So, reality may sometimes be realised because what people perceived to be real, which was wrong made it happen.
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May 30, 2003, 19:25
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Oh, I just had a "special" place in mind for you. It's pretty notorious with the locals, but a lot of clueless gringos get snared and don't know what they're up against.
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I am no gringo. But I am Spanish, so mexicans would probably do a lot more to me than you americans.
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These people would be more friendly to you or anyone than you'd ever want.
The fun is seeing people realize what's up, and run like hell to get out of there while being chased.
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Sorry but there is no way you'll get me to do such things.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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May 30, 2003, 19:29
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I'm not sure how to correctly call it in English, but in spanish we call this "expectativas auto-cumplidas" which roughly means self-accomplished expectations.
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Self-fulfilling prophecies?
Worked miracles to keep the nasdaq afloat at 5000.
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May 30, 2003, 19:36
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What was Astrology invented?
To make Economics seem like a real science. 
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May 30, 2003, 19:44
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
MtG:
"In 18 months, I'd rate it "probable" but certainly not "pretty certain.""
Most of that list is pretty certain IMO. But we'll see anyway...
I can't for example see how a bunch of neocon whiners with their infantile vindictiveness against France and Germany could manage to deal with a free election in Iraq that results in a government that says "sorry, no bases, sorry, no pork, sorry, we won't kiss Sharon's ass".
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You mean you think there will be a free election in Iraq? I thought much more highly of you. Every candidate in the show will be one of our boys, or in there just as a patsy. We have too much of a stake in this to let the Iraqi people possibly **** it up.
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"Who's "we?" Enough of the world is dependent enough, (and Burkina Faso would be dependent on capital import if it could attract any)"
Well, so dependent that a bunch of african backwaters couldn't be blackmailed to vote for a SC resolution authorizing the Bushie adventure.
The US has little to offer there - a foreign aid budget that goes mostly to Israel and Egypt, and tied to buying stuff from US corps. A trade policy that is for sale to domestic special interest. A policy in the IMF and Worldbank that is designed to bailout domestic speculators.
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You're really slipping.  The neocons didn't want the stinking resolution - they got exactly what they wanted. The UN was painted into a corner of killing it's credibility by getting on it's knees to US policy demands, or by not going along with the US, the US ignoring the UN and doing what it wanted anyway with the rest of the world looking on.
All the US did was go through the motions of wanting a resolution enough to posture that "we tried to work with the UN, but it's inept and impotent, so we had to do it on our own" It's the John Wayne School of Foreign Relations.
If the US really needed their approval, the bribe amounts would have gone up until they rolled over. We needed to go through the motions, to create a precedent for ignoring the UN at will. The last resolution was essentially tossing the UN a bone: "Endorse what we intend to do anyway, and we'll let you go back to pretending you have any relevance, and we'll all go away happy."
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So they do it out of charity? Or as a form of "constructive engagement." (I'm dating myself a bit, but I'm pretty sure you'll pick up on that one)
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"Reality doesn't count. It's what everyone perceives to be real that counts."
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As Master Zen pointed out - it is realised by being driven by perception. The underlying accuracy of the perception isn't important.
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"The real game isn't to make war in Iran. It's to make noise about making war in Iran, so that people will be distracted from looking at other things to closely."
I really think that a good deal of Washington is totally gaga, so who knows. If it is so, those things have a tendency to take a life on of their own. What happens to the threats if Iran says "put up or shut up"?
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If it really comes down to it, they get reamed hard. It will just cost the US quite a bit more than it's worth. We do have the capacity to stick it to them, but that really stretches things to the limit and compromises occupation of Iraq.
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May 30, 2003, 21:15
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Hey Comrade Fez, what happened to my right-wing indoctrination we were so eagerly anticipating? 
Perhaps you would also be so kind to explain how the european "socialist governments" were causing damage?
"We needed to go through the motions, to create a precedent for ignoring the UN at will."
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May 30, 2003, 21:23
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I got a SO to worry about.
And anyways, disband the UN.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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why?
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May 30, 2003, 21:30
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...and whats an "SO"??
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May 30, 2003, 21:30
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Significant Other
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May 30, 2003, 21:33
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Ah!! Its 2.25am here, mine is currently playing soldier of fortune II. Of all the women in the world, I had to choose a gamer!!!!!  
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May 30, 2003, 21:33
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Because following the model of the Iraqi Information minister, anything you don't like is retarded.
And as Imran said, significant other. You know I got a life. Oh and my SO isn't a girl.. Rather a guy... if you didn't know.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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"Because following the model of the Iraqi Information minister, anything you don't like is retarded"
The Fez enigma has just become a little clearer
"You know I got a life. Oh and my SO isn't a girl.. Rather a guy... if you didn't know"
If he doesnt play SOFII or UT2003 all the time, and write shangri-la based novels, then your a lucky man!
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I got a Info Minister T-shirt and Coffee mug. He was on the wrong side.
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If he doesnt play SOFII or UT2003 all the time, and write shangri-la based novels, then your a lucky man!
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The only thing he likes is going out with me and making ou.. never mind.. 
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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" I got a Info Minister T-shirt and Coffee mug. He was on the wrong side"
Too bad, I got a Fox News soft toy thing from my visit to the states. Wow we both have misinformation toys!!! This should be toy story III - The Dialectic!
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"We needed to go through the motions, to create a precedent for ignoring the UN at will."
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Do you have any better explanation?
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May 30, 2003, 21:48
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Not really, I honestly wish I did.
I guess when the theif becomes more powerful than the police, then it is the theif that rules town.
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Since when has the UN ever been a thief?
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The UN is meant to be the police. The US is more powerful than the UN, it has the means to flaunt it. However, I do not think it has the moral (or possibly even legal) right to do so, but that is another issue, and I dont think we will reach a consensus on it, if your avatar is anything to go by.
I am not saying that the US is a theif, although some might, it is again a different issue, it was merely an analogy.
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If the UN is meant to be the police, it is performing worse than the Italian Army era 1940s.
The US is the police. Even I can't deny that. Live with it. That is how it is.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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