June 4, 2003, 18:32
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Greatest heroes and villains of all time
I watched AFI's greatest heroes and villains last night on CBS. Ther name is pretty self-explainatory of the premice of the show.
Im content with their opinions in general, tho i would have swithced the order up a lot, personally (the wicked witch of the west is ranked way too high IMO). And im sure they left out some must haves, but I havent thought about it much.
Here's the list:
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Heroes
Rank Character Film
1 Atticus Finch To Kill A Mockingbird
2 Indiana Jones Raiders Of The Lost Ark
3 James Bond Dr. No
4 Rick Blaine Casablanca
5 Will Kane High Noon
6 Clarice Starling Silence Of The Lambs
7 Rocky Balboa Rocky
8 Ellen Ripley Aliens
9 George Bailey It's A Wonderful Life
10 T. E. Lawrence Lawrence Of Arabia
11 Jefferson Smith Mr. Smith Goes To Washington
12 Tom Joad The Grapes Of Wrath
13 Oskar Schindler Schindler's List
14 Han Solo Star Wars
15 Norma Rae Webster Norma Rae
16 Shane Shane
17 Harry Callahan Dirty Harry
18 Robin Hood Adventures Of Robin Hood
19 Virgil Tibbs The Heat Of The Night
20 Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid
21 Mahatma Gandhi Gandhi
22 Spartacus Spartacus
23 Terry Malloy On The Waterfront
24 Thelma Dickerson & Louise Sawyer Thelma & Louise
25 Lou Gehrig The Pride Of The Yankees
26 Superman Superman
27 Bob Woodward & Carl Bernstein All The President's Men
28 Juror #8 12 Angry Men
29 General George Patton Patton
30 Luke Jackson Cool Hand Luke
31 Erin Brockovich Erin Brockovich
32 Philip Marlowe The Big Sleep
33 Marge Gunderson Fargo
34 Tarzan Tarzan The Ape Man
35 Alvin York Sergeant York
36 Rooster Cogburn True Grit
37 Obi-Wan Kenobi Star Wars
38 The Tramp City Lights
39 Lassie Lassie Come Home
40 Frank Serpico Serpico
41 Arthur Chipping Goodbye, Mr. Chips
42 Father Edward Flanagan Boys Town
43 Moses The Ten Commandments
44 Jimmy "Popeye" Doyle The French Connection
45 Zorro The Mark Of Zorro
46 Batman Batman
47 Karen Silkwood Silkwood
48 Terminator Terminator 2: Judgment Day
49 Andrew Beckett Philadelphia
50 General Maximus Decimus Meridus Gladiator
Villains
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1 Dr. Hannibal Lecter The Silence Of The Lambs
2 Norman Bates Psycho
3 Darth Vader The Empire Strikes Back
4 The Wicked Witch Of The West The Wizard Of Oz
5 Nurse Ratched One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
6 Mr. Potter It's A Wonderful Life
7 Alex Forrest Fatal Attraction
8 Phyllis Dietrichson Double Indemnity
9 Regan Macneil The Exorcist
10 The Queen Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs
11 Michael Corleone The Godfather Part II
12 Alex De Large Clockwork Orange
13 Hal 9000 2001: A Space Odyssey
14 The Alien Alien
15 Amon Goeth Schindler's List
16 Noah Cross Chinatown
17 Annie Wilkes Misery
18 The Shark Jaws
19 Captain Bligh Mutiny On The Bounty
20 Man Bambi
21 Mrs. John Isel The Manchurian Candidate
22 Terminator The Terminator
23 Eve Harrington All About Eve
24 Gordon Gekko Wall Street
25 Jack Torrance The Shining
26 Cody Jarrett White Heat
27 Martians The War Of The Worlds
28 Max Cady Cape Fear
29 Reverend Harry Powell The Night Of The Hunter
30 Travis Bickle Taxi Driver
31 Mrs. Danvers Rebecca
32 Clyde Barrow & Bonnie Parker Bonnie And Clyde
33 Count Dracula Dracula
34 Dr. Szell Marathon Man
35 J.J. Hunsecker Sweet Smell Of Success
36 Frank Booth Blue Velvet
37 Harry Lime The Third Man
38 Caesar Enrico Bandello Little Caesar
39 Cruella De Vil One Hundred And One Dalmations
40 Freddy Krueger A Nightmare On Elm Street
41 Joan Crawford Mommie Dearest
42 Tom Powers The Public Enemy
43 Regina Giddens The Little Foxes
44 Baby Jane Hudson Whatever Happened To Baby Jane
45 The Joker Batman
46 Hans Gruber Die Hard
47 Tony Camonte Scarface
48 Verbal Kint The Usual Suspects
49 Auric Goldfinger Goldfinger
50 Alonzo Harris Training Day
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Did they miss anyone (shredder from ninja turtles, perhaps?), or put someone who doesnt belong (46 Hans Gruber from Die Hard?), or misorder charcters(the joker as number 45 on the villain list?)?
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June 4, 2003, 18:34
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Prince
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i think they put WAY too many villains on the list form the archetype of psycho woman who are wives or moms. They have like 5 or 6 of these 
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June 4, 2003, 18:35
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Megatron!
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June 4, 2003, 18:36
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Perhaps they alloted the number of characters per archetype to be proportional to the number of those villains in real life (hence the excessive number of psycho women)? 
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June 4, 2003, 18:37
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A pretty disappointing list, all in all.
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June 4, 2003, 18:40
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Tcha. Where's Agent Smith?
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June 4, 2003, 18:43
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Originally posted by Sandman
Tcha. Where's Agent Smith?
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We have to wait for the end of the third movie before we can judge his worth.
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June 4, 2003, 18:44
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Where's Admiral Ozzel? 
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June 4, 2003, 18:46
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I'd have put HAL 9000 at #1 and Darth Vader at #2 on the villians list.
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June 4, 2003, 18:48
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In heros, we have Obi-Won... but what about Luke Skywalker in ROTJ?!
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June 4, 2003, 18:50
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We have to wait for the end of the third movie before we can judge his worth.
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S'pose. He might turn good or something.
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June 4, 2003, 18:53
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Polls like this work well in informal settings like Apolyton, but have absolutely no point in the wider world.
How dumb are these guys anyway? The T1000 in Terminator 2 was far better than the Arn in T-1. And Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein would doubtless find it amusing that they were regarded more as movie heroes.
It's also notable that the opinion that Gordon Gekko is a villain is not shared by everyone.
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June 4, 2003, 19:22
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Where are Blofeld, Agent Smith, Emperor Palpatine, the Joker, Saruman, and T-1000?
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June 4, 2003, 19:58
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Gecko is most certainly a villain! In any case, I was a bit dissapointed by the list as well. I mean, cruella de ville??? Come on! If she doesn't scare you, then you're completely normal!
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June 5, 2003, 04:30
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Prince
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Originally posted by Lord Merciless
Where are Blofeld, Agent Smith, Emperor Palpatine, the Joker, Saruman, and T-1000?
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Joker is on the list, but at a mere 45 for some reason 
Saruman, or Sauron for that matter, whould have been good choices
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June 5, 2003, 04:37
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OH NO! THE LISTMAKERS DIDN'T CONSTRUCT THE LIST AS ACCORDING TO MY PERSONAL OPINION WHICH THEY HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING!
THIS DOOMS THE LIST TO BE CRAP! I MUST NOW GO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT IN MANY INTERNET BOARDS!
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June 5, 2003, 06:06
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The alien in Alien? Nope, sorry, that wasn't even the actual villain in that film -- Ash was.
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June 5, 2003, 06:08
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...and, whatever else, Hans Gruber and The Joker should be higher than the Wicked Witch.
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June 5, 2003, 07:18
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the dude's missing
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June 5, 2003, 07:56
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Stefu -- > 
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June 5, 2003, 07:58
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indeed, but still, the dude should be on there
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June 5, 2003, 08:07
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What about Ian McKellan's Richard the Third? He beats the sh!t out of at least 90% of the list. AFI is crap.
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June 5, 2003, 08:25
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Great avatar tuome
the hero from my favourite film...
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June 5, 2003, 10:23
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Where's Captain Picard and Q?
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June 5, 2003, 10:30
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Mickey Mouse
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June 5, 2003, 10:38
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Originally posted by Stefu
OH NO! THE LISTMAKERS DIDN'T CONSTRUCT THE LIST AS ACCORDING TO MY PERSONAL OPINION WHICH THEY HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING!
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You would have been quite correct if the list is properly titled "The greatest fictitious heroes and villains in Hollywood movies according to AFI."
What the hell is AFI? And how do you have "greatest villains?"
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Last edited by Urban Ranger; June 5, 2003 at 10:52.
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June 5, 2003, 10:40
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BTW Mickey Mouse is a villain not a hero.
It wasn't just a random post
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June 5, 2003, 10:45
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Where are Popeye and Bluto?
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June 5, 2003, 10:51
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June 5, 2003, 10:56
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Atticus Finch, and Butch and Sundance
I disagree about the Wicked Witch.
She's one scary b1tch. 
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