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Moving the NATO HQ from Belgium = good 
Then, we'll only need to get rid of the American nukes at Kleine Brogel, the European parliament in Brussels and the Antwerp Jews (=ultra-orthodox) and we'll be safe from terrorism!
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June 11, 2003, 23:03
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Re: Why is the USA so afraid of little Belgium ?
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Originally posted by Flandrien
On the news today:
The US wants to relocate NATO headquarters from Brussels to another NATO country.
The reason for this is some people that want to sue general Franks for war crimes in Irak, and they want to do this in Belgium, because of special Belgian anti-genocide laws.
I mean, what do they think they can achieve with this ? 
More info here
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Yeah right, that's really the reason.
The real reason is because of money and location.
New Europe is closer to the Middle East and a hell of alot cheaper to setup shop.
Plus they behave properly unlike you crybaby Old Europeans.
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June 12, 2003, 03:33
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is the USA so afraid of little Belgium ?
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Originally posted by Colon
So Franks won't be convicted, which exactly was the point of sending the trial to an US military tribunal. What are you still *****ing about?
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hi ,
its called "honor" , .....
especially if you know what the US has done for them , .....
red flag in AZ , the belgians pay nothing , same in california , ....
how many times a year do they need a C-5 , C-17 or C-141 , ..... and does uncle sam bill them , .... nope they dont , .....
the lawyer just wants to show off , should he not better focus on his clients file in the dutroux case , ..... 
have a nice day
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June 12, 2003, 03:35
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Re: Re: Why is the USA so afraid of little Belgium ?
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
Yeah right, that's really the reason.
The real reason is because of money and location.
New Europe is closer to the Middle East and a hell of alot cheaper to setup shop.
Plus they behave properly unlike you crybaby Old Europeans.
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hi ,
new europe is closer , ...... huh , a plane ride from prague takes longer to get there then from brussels , .....
and they have central command and italy for the middle east , ....
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June 12, 2003, 05:10
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is the USA so afraid of little Belgium ?
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Originally posted by panag
hi ,
its called "honor" , .....
especially if you know what the US has done for them , .....
red flag in AZ , the belgians pay nothing , same in california , ....
how many times a year do they need a C-5 , C-17 or C-141 , ..... and does uncle sam bill them , .... nope they dont , .....
the lawyer just wants to show off , should he not better focus on his clients file in the dutroux case , .....
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hmmm
it's called HONOR to shoot a little girl and call it collteral damage ... yep, certainly
how many millions of dollars does isreal have recieved in the past from the US ?
we in the past 50 years don't have mass murders on our hands, Isreal on the other hand ...
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June 12, 2003, 05:18
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Americans are not afraid of Belgium so much as annoyed by Belgium.
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June 12, 2003, 08:34
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Hmm Panag, do you mean like Antwerp (yes, that's Belgium too ), shipping EVERY piece of armory that was stationed in europe for free. All tanks etc. that needed to go to the Gulf passed through here.
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June 12, 2003, 08:37
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Originally posted by The Vagabond
NATO HQ? Relocate it to Warsaw. One can't possibly think of a better place. 
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Your still not in Europe, so be carefull, also, there are still a lot of subsidies to be divided, so again, be carefull on choosing sides here.
Oh, btw, while moving NATO to Poland, will you come and clean up your mafia here too?  
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June 13, 2003, 13:43
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Hmm Panag, do you mean like Antwerp (yes, that's Belgium too ), shipping EVERY piece of armory that was stationed in europe for free. All tanks etc. that needed to go to the Gulf passed through here.
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hi ,
*cough*
anything for free in belgium , .....
call the US embassy and ask to send you the numbers , ....
the only thing they have together with nato ships is a 25% reduction in the locks price , thats all , ....
you belgiums did not even want to provide extra police , so the US army had to hire two private security firms , they cost more then the police , .....
have a nice day
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June 13, 2003, 13:49
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is the USA so afraid of little Belgium ?
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hmmm
it's called HONOR to shoot a little girl and call it collteral damage ... yep, certainly
how many millions of dollars does isreal have recieved in the past from the US ?
we in the past 50 years don't have mass murders on our hands, Isreal on the other hand ...
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hi ,
wake up and read some of your country's newspapers , .....
oh and by the way , we are not mass murderers , at least we dont have some-one in the gov who's mother and father worked for the gestapo , ....
go to the town of mechelen , .....
and did you not hear about the fact today that the courtcase of on of ours got trown out , ....
text in french ;
Les autorités belges ont annoncé aujourd'hui qu'elles interrompaient
finalement la procédure judiciaire entamée contre le directeur général du
ministère israélien de la Défense, Amos Yaron. Ce dernier avait été accusé
en Belgique de «crimes contre l'humanité» pour sa prétendue responsabilité
dans les massacres perpétrés par les Phalanges chrétiennes dans les camps
palestiniens de Sabra et Chatila, pendant la guerre du Liban, en 1982. Le
ministère belge des Affaires étrangères a indiqué que le dossier était
transmis à Israël.
guess who gave testimony during the investigation , .....
so please , give me a break , .... 
have a nice day
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June 13, 2003, 14:52
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you belgiums did not even want to provide extra police , so the US army had to hire two private security firms , they cost more then the police , .....
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What are you taking about, the US army called on a little town-village to send over a couple of uniforms to protects it's men from a handfull of protestors. 
That video footage was really funny
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June 13, 2003, 15:25
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is the USA so afraid of little Belgium ?
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oh and by the way , we are not mass murderers , at least we dont have some-one in the gov who's mother and father worked for the gestapo , ....
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Completely irrelevant  . I fail to see how someone's parents should prevent him to become part of the government...
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is the USA so afraid of little Belgium ?
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Completely irrelevant . I fail to see how someone's parents should prevent him to become part of the government...
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hi ,
it is when he or she endorses the views of the parents and when he or she try to block the truth , .....
belgium still has no thruth commision after 55 years , ....
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June 13, 2003, 15:47
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you belgiums did not even want to provide extra police , so the US army had to hire two private security firms , they cost more then the police , .....
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What are you taking about, the US army called on a little town-village to send over a couple of uniforms to protects it's men from a handfull of protestors.
That video footage was really funny
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hi ,
did they not show the break ins and the destruction in the harbor , .....
for about 630 000 dollars worth , ......
have a nice day
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June 13, 2003, 15:48
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A common misconception: Belgium is playing the part of judge, not of prosecutor.
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There seems to be people here who aren't able to read.
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June 13, 2003, 16:05
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There seems to be people here who aren't able to read.
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hi ,
it still has to be formed , thats the fact , ......
they are talking about it since 1995 , ....
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June 14, 2003, 09:01
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Re: Why is the USA so afraid of little Belgium ?
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I mean, what do they think they can achieve with this ?
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They can try a war criminal and punish him justly, they should try Bush and the leaders of the counries that helped him.
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June 14, 2003, 09:10
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Even if true, this shouldn't matter, no one should be penalised for what his parents did or didn't do.
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And btw; the latest here is that the Belgian gaverment will cave in. (however, I don't think the US goverment did it self a favour though. This very much looks like bullying and petty minded revenge to me and I'm sure many others)
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Oh, btw, while moving NATO to Poland, will you come and clean up your mafia here too?
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Sorry. The Italians are your problem.
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June 14, 2003, 10:45
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I don't see the US's problem with this. I mean, I don't think Franks commited war crimes at all. Let these Belgian waffle-heads present enough evidence to even warrant an indictment. I doubt they have anything substantial. I disagree with Bush and his dumbass policies, but I think the US Armed Forces are some of the best in terms of human rights. Sure, there are some people that ***** and moan about the US and it's imperialism, but perhaps they've forgotten about Nazi Germany and what war crimes are. Iraqi soldiers get better treatment in US captivity than they did under Saddam's rule, so don't give me this war crimes BS.
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June 14, 2003, 11:13
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Sorry. The Italians are your problem.
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Depends, for street violence/illegal protitution(basically slave-trade)/drugs/robbings/car-and home jacking etc.. the East-european mafia in much worse.(Especially the Albanian one though)
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Then I'd be complaining for the Russians to clean up thier mafia rather than the Americans.
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June 14, 2003, 11:20
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and people wonder why the Serbs were trying to protect themselves. The KLA, and other Albanian elements are supported by Al Qaeda and other Arab terrorist elements and have an extensive organized crime effort.  I will never understand NATO and the motivations of their anti-Serb smear campaign. I'm sure someone will respond with genocide accusations, etc...  Perhaps if they actually lived or visited the region, they'd know what they were talking about.
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Go to another thread. No one cares about the genocidal Serbs here.
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June 14, 2003, 11:27
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nah, this thread is about Belgium and their silly little war-crimes claims... other cases of where NATO was wrong are completely relevant. Perhaps we should also discuss the state of Mississippi and their history of government sponsored racism.
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How about if I charge you with vague and unspecified crimes in a Mexican court, and you come here at your own expense to prove your innocence?
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War crimes are a bit more specific than "vague and unspecified," and what happened in Iraq was rather clear to the rest of the world.
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Oh, and why isn't this particular brilliant advocate of international law bringing charges against Kim Jong Il, the perpetrators of the Tiananmen square massacre, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hisbullah, Saddam Hussein, the Saudi royal family, and a slew of others?
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Oh, you mean people like Ronald Reagan, a number of CIA directors (probably including Bush Sr.), anybody who were involved in *cough* "arresting" *cough* Manuel Noriega, etc?
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How about if I charge you with vague and unspecified crimes in a Mexican court, and you come here at your own expense to prove your innocence?
Think of the boost in your reputation when you prove your innocence!
Oh, and why isn't this particular brilliant advocate of international law bringing charges against Kim Jong Il, the perpetrators of the Tiananmen square massacre, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hisbullah, Saddam Hussein, the Saudi royal family, and a slew of others?
Oh, he's only interested in posturing against US policy? An excellent reason to submit to such nonsense.
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Excellent point Mtg, why is only the USA that everybody is looking at, look at the world full of really bad guys, warlords in Africa who kill millions, have they ever been brought to justice. See what I mean, the whole idea is a joke.
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-How the hell do you mean vague? LOL
-Everybody is so ignorant... At this moment there are about 50 cases similar to this one if I recall correctly... including a variety of African murderers for example..
One case has been finished already, I think it was 4 Rwandian war criminals that were found guilty.. I also read in the paper a while ago that a second case was soon to be finished.. I haven't followed it that much though.
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Yeah right, that's really the reason.
The real reason is because of money and location.
New Europe is closer to the Middle East and a hell of alot cheaper to setup shop.
Plus they behave properly unlike you crybaby Old Europeans.
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-Yes they behave properly like little children always do whatever daddy syas..
daddy says support my righteous and just invasion of Iraq  and the little children will be impressed and say yes we support you!
Anyway eastern europe being cheaper.. it's possible, but the infrastructure won't be quite what you guys were used to in Belgium
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oh and by the way , we are not mass murderers , at least we dont have some-one in the gov who's mother and father worked for the gestapo , ....
go to the town of mechelen , .....
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Panag, finally, can you actually come with any valid arguments instead of this pile of crap?
I LIVE IN MECHELEN and I sure as hell don't know anybody in the government (living in Mechelen ) that has any ties to gestapo scum... Jezus I really wonder in what kind of ultra-right israeli paper you read that absolute bollox.
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Originally posted by August Borms
Moving the NATO HQ from Belgium = good
Then, we'll only need to get rid of the American nukes at Kleine Brogel, the European parliament in Brussels and the Antwerp Jews (=ultra-orthodox) and we'll be safe from terrorism!
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About belgians with parents in gestapo, at least they don't have PMs who have committed war-crimes... I'm not talking about not-entirely-clear things like Lebanon. I'm talking about simple things like execution of prisoners, civilian killings in villages... I had a very interesting conversation once with a person who served under Sharon in the 50's...
In any case, I think that the Belgian law is silly... Not immoral or bad or anything, just silly
Laws depend on the ability to enforce them. They have no other legitimacy whatsoever. I rest my case
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hi ,
if you live in mechelen , no problem , i should be there in two weeks , you can come and see the original gestapo files we have obtained since 26 days , .....
misschien zoudt ge better uwen burgervader eens onder de loep nemen , .... zijn ouders kuisten zogezegdt bij de gestapo op de melaan , die ken de toch hé , .....
wij hebben nu al de origineele documenten , en de namen van sommige die daar opstaan , ..... ja watte , ...
of waarom denkt ge dat ze juist dat klein verlaten boerengat hebben uitgekozen in 1940 , zowel voor de deportatie als voor breendonk , .....
and btw , if you or any one else is passing true that small town and wants to see the original files from wwII , just send a pm or e-mail , ....
have a nice day
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