New Zealand legalizes prostitution. - Page 2

FrostyBoy · June 25, 2003, 17:39

What IS the problem with prostitution? If the girl wants to do it, then let her do so, what crime does it make? who gets hurt?

Flubber · June 25, 2003, 17:53

Just curious but what has been the experience in the parts of Nevada where prostitution is legal?

Shi Huangdi · June 25, 2003, 18:04

Prostitution is a blight on our society. However, I doubt that banning it is an effective way of stopping it. Prostitution bans have been unable to stop the practice, people continue to see prostitutes anyway and the ban just takes the whole business outside the boundaries of the law. By legalizing and regulating it, we can get the street walkers indoors and regulate the brothels to ensure the safety of the prostitutes.

Imran Siddiqui · June 25, 2003, 18:12

New Zealand

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Good job, you Kiwis

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FrostyBoy · June 25, 2003, 18:22

Yeah well I think legalizing it is the way to go, safety for the prostitutes is the main concern here I believe - because prostitution is just not going to go away, it's a part of our society.

Agathon · June 25, 2003, 18:46

Yeah, if it was stamped out, what would all those middle-aged businessmen do when they're at weekend conferences in Taupo?

(I used to keep bar at an hotel there and you wouldn't believe the amount of hookers some of those guys ordered).

Sava · June 25, 2003, 20:03

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By legalizing and regulating it, we can get the street walkers indoors and regulate the brothels to ensure the safety of the prostitutes.

YES! See! I knew there were smart conservatives around here somewhere!

FrostyBoy · June 25, 2003, 20:13

LOL Taupo

That is a hole of a town. There's only one kind of entertainment there, and it's not fishing in the lake.

Skanky Burns · June 25, 2003, 20:32

Good move.

ravagon · June 25, 2003, 20:54

Probably doing it to revitalise the tourist industry.

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It has always amused me. The notion that it's okay to give something away, but illegal to sell the same thing.

How....strange.

One could discuss Civ2 scenarios with those exact same terms.

Lung · June 25, 2003, 22:14

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blow-up sheep doll union leaders very optimistic on next years figures and job opportunities

I thought the postitution was about the sheep!

Mr. President · June 25, 2003, 22:16

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By legalizing and regulating it, we can get the street walkers indoors and regulate the brothels to ensure the safety of the prostitutes.

Ben Kenobi · June 25, 2003, 23:27

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By legalizing and regulating it, we can get the street walkers indoors and regulate the brothels to ensure the safety of the prostitutes.

What about expansion of the trade due to legalisation? Do we want more women to prostitute themselves?

Will legalisation curtail independent operators who want to cut corners?

Secondly, we need to look at why women prostitute themselves. Some are forced, I wish we could prosecute all the pimps that force women into prostitution. The problem is the evidence, and the security of the women who choose to testify. It is very hard to get these women out of the situation that they are in, when they are strung out on drugs.

The other kind is that this is very easy money to make, especially in areas that do not have much employment. You can make much more doing tricks, than you can working at a full-time job in some areas, dramatically increasing the frusteration of those who choose another route.

Why don't we offer shelter, food, etc. for any woman that we see on the street prostituting herself, rather than money for a trick?

I can remember seeing notices, from families asking people to help get their mother home so that she would be off the street. Will legalisation help these people, or encourage others to follow the same path?

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He accused the church leaders of arrogance and said they were ill-informed.

Now that's an effective argument.

You don't see the Christians insulting their opponents.

Another argument looks at the functions of laws. One effect is to encourage the lowest-common denominator, that whatever is legal, is also praise-worthy.

I would argue that if one believes prostitution to be immoral, you should argue for prostitution to be kept illegal, and the nature of the restrictions up for grabs, as there are different ways to tackle the problem.

Now, what motivation will there be for crackdown on the illegal operators, other than the profit the government gets from taxation?

Zero · June 25, 2003, 23:42

While Im in favor of legalizing anything, Prostitution is one thing Im not too excited about cause it really doesnt affect my life personally.

Have you ever seen a protistute so hot that you're willing to pay for? Why not get (technically) free ass when there are so much more hotter free ones?

Ben Kenobi · June 25, 2003, 23:46

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Have you ever seen a protistute so hot that you're willing to pay for? Why not get (technically) free ass when there are so much more hotter free ones?

I've had a prostitute jump into my car because I made eye-contact.

So yes, I've seen some of the street life back home. It's not a pretty sight.

Berzerker · June 26, 2003, 00:08

Flubber -

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Just curious but what has been the experience in the parts of Nevada where prostitution is legal?

Very low STD rates, not nearly as much violence towards the women, actual health care plans...you know...much of what most people take for granted...

MrWhereItsAt · June 26, 2003, 03:50

As prostitutes are now legally covered with everything other industries are, this includes fair work contracts, safe work environments and conditions. Wanting a woman you knew "off the streets" would be just a personal preference rather than a safety worry, when the law takes full effect.

Thus wanting someone to stop being a prostitute would theoretically be no different under the law to wanting someone to stop selling cigarettes/liquor. Morally objectionable to a number, but with safety checks and balances in place no longer as serious a worry as previously.

Cruddy · June 26, 2003, 04:17

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What about expansion of the trade due to legalisation? Do we want more women to prostitute themselves?

Do we want the ones that do to suffer? Or be protected?

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Will legalisation curtail independent operators who want to cut corners?

No. Legislation is not the same thing as enforcement.

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Secondly, we need to look at why women prostitute themselves. Some are forced, I wish we could prosecute all the pimps that force women into prostitution. The problem is the evidence, and the security of the women who choose to testify. It is very hard to get these women out of the situation that they are in, when they are strung out on drugs.

Agreed. That is why it is a very good idea to give them regular health checks to see if they are on drugs.

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The other kind is that this is very easy money to make, especially in areas that do not have much employment. You can make much more doing tricks, than you can working at a full-time job in some areas, dramatically increasing the frusteration of those who choose another route.

Yes, but it's not exactly a long term career. As for those frustrated with poorly paid jobs, no one is stopping them from getting an education and moving up the ladder.

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Why don't we offer shelter, food, etc. for any woman that we see on the street prostituting herself, rather than money for a trick?

Because she's not in it for food or shelter - she's in it for large amounts of cash. Why don't YOU offer sex industry workers large amounts of money NOT to work if you are so upset? Oh yes, that would annoy the hard paying workers...

Seriously, offering them food and shelter doesn't solve their cash needs.

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I can remember seeing notices, from families asking people to help get their mother home so that she would be off the street. Will legalisation help these people, or encourage others to follow the same path?

Maybe it will help the mothers who work in the sex industry to earn a fair living with less fear and violence.

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Now that's an effective argument.

You don't see the Christians insulting their opponents.

I've heard plenty of clergy of all denominations handing it out by the bucketload.

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Another argument looks at the functions of laws. One effect is to encourage the lowest-common denominator, that whatever is legal, is also praise-worthy.

That's why some things are taxed, to raise the price and lower the consumption.

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I would argue that if one believes prostitution to be immoral, you should argue for prostitution to be kept illegal, and the nature of the restrictions up for grabs, as there are different ways to tackle the problem.

BULLSHIT! KILLING IS IMMORAL - HOW MANY COUNTRIES HAVE ARMED PERSONNEL THAT KILL PEOPLE?

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Now, what motivation will there be for crackdown on the illegal operators, other than the profit the government gets from taxation?

Gee ObiWan, why do cops chase criminals?