July 14, 2003, 02:22
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Originally posted by LoneWolf
Man, this is high debate.
Clearly the Euros are the superior force for good in the world. Oh, and Canada, too .
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You ran out of arguments before you even opened your mouth. 
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July 14, 2003, 02:50
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Originally posted by Gatekeeper
Does the WTO ever rule against any other nation than the United States?
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yes.
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July 14, 2003, 10:55
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Ban UK beef. The samething the Canadians are whining about.
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he UK has had thousands of cases of BSE infected beef (tens of thousands, actually, IIRC)
We've had one, and have slaughtered every herd that had the remotest connection (or could have had) with the infected cow. Not to mention the fact that beef products have been shipped regularly back and forth over our border on an industrial scale for ages. There's no more chance that a cow in Saskatchewan has BSE than does a cow in North Dakota...
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July 14, 2003, 23:20
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Originally posted by DanS
This is a good move. I didn't want to see the tariff in the first place, even though a short "time out" to restructure isn't an inappropriate policy.
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It's a really bad idea.
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July 14, 2003, 23:22
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Lonewolf, I think we should reduce tariffs ourselves, even if others don't. That way the consumer benefits and US companies are forced to be the most efficient in the world. This is the main reason that England became an economic powerhouse in the 1600s. They repealed tariffs on agricultural goods (the Corn Laws) and they skyrocketed.
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Rock on. Let the neo-mercantalists diddle themselves.
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July 14, 2003, 23:26
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KH: The facts of the outbreak is incidental to my point. The only relevent part is that they continued the ban long after the outbreak had been contained.
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July 14, 2003, 23:41
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The outbreak in the UK is contained? Not yet. The number of new cases being reported is on the decline, but it's not yet contained...
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July 14, 2003, 23:42
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July 14, 2003, 23:43
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Damn. Link's not working properly, but it states number of cases reported this year in the UK as 309.
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July 14, 2003, 23:45
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
The outbreak in the UK is contained? Not yet.
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You learn something new everyday. But I fail to see how that changes my point.
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July 14, 2003, 23:49
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The US is the most active, aggressive and successful litigant in the WTO and its predecessor the GATT. So its a bit rich to whine when a decision goes against you.
These tariffs weren't good for US industry anyway in my opinion. The US auto industry for example has been calling for their removal.
A tariff is just another word for tax. This tax was being paid by those American companies that use steel. That can't be good for US industry. Nor is it good for US consumers who pay for the tariffs in higher prices for built up steel products like cars and white goods and houses and the like. It also makes US exports of products with steel content more expensive and therefore less competitive in international markets. More bad news for US industry.
In summary it was a pretty bad way to "help" the US steel industry. It basically rewarded their inefficiency and gave US steel incentives not to make necessary improvements to efficiency to improve competitiveness against imports. You want to reward that kind of lazy corporate behaviour?
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July 14, 2003, 23:50
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What, that the French acted like *******s in the UK BSE situation? Sort of. They had "other" concerns than scientific ones, to be sure. But they had more of a case than you guys do even now...
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July 14, 2003, 23:52
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Originally posted by TCO
Rock on. Let the neo-mercantalists diddle themselves.
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Neo-mercantilists my ass. Do you really want to start to discuss farm subsidies?
You and the Euros are complete ****wits when it comes to that...
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July 14, 2003, 23:53
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Neo-mercantilists my ass. Do you really want to start to discuss farm subsidies?
You and the Euros are complete ****wits when it comes to that...
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Are you drinking?
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July 14, 2003, 23:56
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Originally posted by TCO
Are you drinking?
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Jealous?
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July 15, 2003, 00:00
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Originally posted by TCO
Are you drinking?
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Little bit. 
But not enough to forget that your farmers get 60% of income from subsidies (same with Euros) and ours get 30%. And you guys just added a tarriff on our grain. What's up with that? 
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July 15, 2003, 00:02
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Little bit.
But not enough to forget that your farmers get 60% of income from subsidies (same with Euros) and ours get 30%. And you guys just added a tarriff on our grain. What's up with that?
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You must be drinking too much to realize that I'm against tarrifs or farm supports, and that I'm against "fair trade" or "anti-dumping". I'm a free trade unilateralist. Except for heroin and atom bombs.
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July 15, 2003, 00:03
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Yeah, but you said "neo-mercantilists" in response to Imran's quote which suggested you guys are the real good guys when it comes to free trade...
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July 15, 2003, 00:04
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And I was pointing out that the neomercantilists are as firlmly in control in Washington as they are in Brussels
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July 15, 2003, 00:16
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Yeah, but you said "neo-mercantilists" in response to Imran's quote which suggested you guys are the real good guys when it comes to free trade...
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I was echoing his statement on what he beleives in. Not making "us" out to have the free-est trade. Don't know if we do.
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July 15, 2003, 00:18
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I agree that artificial trade barriers are not a good idea, provided labour laws and safety laws are harmosnised. Problem is that people want one world market but not one world government
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July 15, 2003, 00:37
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
And I was pointing out that the neomercantilists are as firlmly in control in Washington as they are in Brussels
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I think that the rhetoric is a little stronger elsewhere but that protectionism plays everywhere. I differentiate from simple protectionism and the sort of person who believes in fair trade and retaliation and the like. I see that as the neomercantalism.
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July 15, 2003, 00:39
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I agree that artificial trade barriers are not a good idea, provided labour laws and safety laws are harmosnised. Problem is that people want one world market but not one world government
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I disagree. I don't think we need to get into the labor laws and safety laws of other countries.
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July 15, 2003, 00:47
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That's why there should only be one country. 
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July 15, 2003, 00:50
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
That's why there should only be one country.
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Are you designing particle beams for Rummie at APL?
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July 15, 2003, 00:51
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APL? One of those words is "applied"
Blech...
EDIT: and rummie can kiss my bummie. No way I'd take it if it had the words "DoD" and "classified" anywhere near it...
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July 15, 2003, 00:55
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That L word turn you off also? Want to sit and theorize like Milla?
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July 15, 2003, 00:57
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
APL? One of those words is "applied"
Blech...
EDIT: and rummie can kiss my bummie. No way I'd take it if it had the words "DoD" and "classified" anywhere near it...
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So Coca-colonization is sufficient for one country creation? No need for Dr.Evil schemes?
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July 15, 2003, 00:59
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One country is secondary to socialism.
If the one country helps things go faster then it's better. If it has to wait because there's a big, badass capitalist nation intent on staying in the 18th century then so be it. You will be assimilated...
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July 15, 2003, 01:00
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In other words, coca-colonisation no good as currently practiced by US. If it was being practiced with success by Sweden, then it would be good.
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