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No you didn't. You lost. I won.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 16, 2003, 07:26
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Aha? So are all the mps and ministers mullahs too?
Geez, I didnt have a clue...
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First of all, if you don't know the amount of power the religious establishment in Iran yields, you are living in a sheltered reality.
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July 16, 2003, 07:28
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But that really has very little to do with the Iranian government Az....
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July 16, 2003, 07:30
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And many many countries have influencial, strong religious establihments. Israel, Poland, USA, Greece just to name few...
I'm not saying its a good thing but you cant really declare a country evil just because it has strong religious establihments.
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July 16, 2003, 07:31
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But that really has very little to do with the Iranian government....
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No it doesn't. The religious segment in Iran has always yielded a tremendous amount in the government of influence since the 1979 revolution. To deny this is just plain stupid.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 16, 2003, 07:32
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And many many countries have influencial, strong religious establihments. Israel, Poland, USA, Greece just to name few...
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Yes but those states are actually based on secular constitutions.
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July 16, 2003, 07:33
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Are they? I'm not so sure Fez..
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July 16, 2003, 07:35
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Are they? I'm not so sure Fez..
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They most certainly are.
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July 16, 2003, 07:36
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Also let me say this once more. Mullahs are not part of Iranian government. They may have influence over it, just as any lobbygroup in the states for example...
Sometimes the government is very hostile towards the mullahs
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July 16, 2003, 07:37
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Fez, why don't you look for a copy of Polish, Israeli and Greek constitutions and count how many words "God" , or references to bible you find
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July 16, 2003, 07:39
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Fez, why don't you look for a copy of Polish, Israeli and Greek constitutions and count how many words "God" you find
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Well I was talking about the US.
Treaty of Tripoli, signed 1797. Chapter 11.
Look it up.
So zip it.
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July 16, 2003, 07:42
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Well you used the word "they" wich is plural.You also referred earlier to all of my examples by using the phrase "those states". So you had to be talking about more than just US constitution.
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July 16, 2003, 07:51
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Fez, why don't you look for a copy of Polish, Israeli and Greek constitutions and count how many words "God" , or references to bible you find
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The US consitition was written more than 200 years ago. give it a rest.
The declaration of Israel's independence is here: http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/israel.htm
There is one time the world 'God' is there, and that's due to an incorrect translation, because otherwise, the communists and socialists would've never sign it.
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July 16, 2003, 07:51
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And secular constitution does not guarantee religious tolerance or human rights. It's just secular.
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July 16, 2003, 07:53
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For example North Korean constitution is secular 
A petty Chieftain beating two Kings?
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July 16, 2003, 08:08
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Noone said it did. What I mean is that if IS religious, than it certainly DOESN'T. nice weaseling out, though.
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July 16, 2003, 08:17
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So here we are. Secular constitution does not guarantee religious tolerance or human rights, nor does the religious constitution. I'm glad we agree.
Case closed.
next one please
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July 16, 2003, 08:20
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ehm, Don't want to get in the way of the thread jack or anything, but where is Mad Monk and co. when the USA executes foreign citizens?
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July 16, 2003, 08:55
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The nature of the "crime", the lack of due process....
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July 16, 2003, 08:57
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Exellent point osweld. Let's Roll! We have a "regime change" to perform!
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The nature of the "crime", the lack of due process....
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Kinda like unknown crimes and military tribunals?
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July 16, 2003, 08:58
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ehm, Don't want to get in the way of the thread jack or anything,
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Especially when you could start your own.
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July 16, 2003, 08:59
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Personally, I don't know why they US bother with trials at all. They captured them during war, didn't they?
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July 16, 2003, 08:59
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Especially when you could start your own.
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It's atleast a bit more on-topic though. 
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July 16, 2003, 09:00
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anyway, back to Iran...
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Triple post!
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See above and below...
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July 16, 2003, 12:21
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Agence France Presse reports that the Iranian VP Mohammad Ali Abtahi admitted that she died after she was beaten.
I only have a french link : http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites...3,368702.shtml
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