Mozilla 1.4 : Finally worth the move

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Nor should that be of any concern, because according to recent rumors, Microsoft will not make anymore IE versions, nor any further service packs. If you want a new version - get their future windows version.

Asher, mind commenting on why you don't consider MSIE dead?

[Method]

Originally posted by Zopperoni
On-topic, I've grown so attached to Opera that I can't be arsed to switch (again).

me either. i tried Mozilla after a few issues Opera has with TDZK, but i just can't live without mouse gesutres

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ned
My two cents, I like, very much like, the text zoom feature of Mozilla and Netscape. IE and IE based browers have nothing comparable. By itself, this puts Mozilla in a class by itself for me.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Asher, any responses to my second post?

What's there to respond to? Your computer is clearly otherwordly.

And it's a joke to say Mozilla has an active community -- Netscape did it and the "community" would add a tiny thing every now and then. Netscape pulled out, Mozilla is struggling to reorganize.

[Asher]

Originally posted by elijah
Asher, you really don't like open source software do you?

I don't have any problem with it in general. Apache, PHP, MySQL, etc are superb. BSD is awesome.

I have problems with Mozilla and Linux because they are crap. The fact that they are open source has nothing to do with it, but it really annoys me when people advocate them because they're open source when they're clearly crap products.

[mrmitchell]

Because I have it crash, hang, and become unresponsive far more often than IE.

I skipped the rest of the thread just to debunk you...

I have NEVER had Mozilla crash. Not once. Not ever.

On the other hand, on the occasions that I went back to the Dark Side (read: MSIE) I've gotten everything from tremendous slowdowns (!) to programs trying to fill my computer with ActiveX "Give us your cookies and we'll give you ads for some cheap peice of sh!t" things to IE crashes and system crashes as a whole.

And this isn't even the latest version. I've been using 1.3a for a while now; however I had to patch and upgrade MSIE for it to even be worth going back to the Dark Side in the first place.

At best, you were accidentally using a nightly build or a really, REALLY old version.

At worst, you are ignorant.

(I just felt the need here to applaud Moz.)


EDIT: Missed part of your failure to understand reality (i.e. "post".)

I also dislike how the scroll works while the page is loading, it's irratic and irritating

I have only had this happen with a copy of MSIE on another person's computer; suggests that it's something wrong with your computer instead of Moz.

[mrmitchell]

(Really, you got me too hyped up now... )

I'm not sure I 100% know what he is talking about, but Ned is correct in that Moz text sizes are more abundant, you could say.

[Imran Siddiqui]

For the record, I have IE and Opera. I like Opera, but I went back to IE. I found IE faster and better.

[Q Classic]

i've had mozilla crash on me.

it's a point of pride for me to try to make "uncrashable' things crash.

ie and opera are easy. mozilla's not that hard.
windows is easy, osx is easy, linux is harder.

opera is my browser of choice, because of tabbed browsing, which feels more natural in opera than mozilla, and mouse gestures.

i still use ie and mozilla, though.

[Q Classic]

and with opera, you can do that by either tinkering with the magnify bar in the upper right, or by holding down ctrl and flipping the mousewheel.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Oooh, I do like the mouse gestures in Opera, Q. It's why it is on my hard drive still .

[Q Classic]

oh, and opera is a honda, mozilla a nissan, and ie a toyota.

one's fast, lightweight, and nifty, one's quite well engineered, and one's reliable and ubiquitous.

none of them are anything to write home about.

[Asher]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
I skipped the rest of the thread just to debunk you...

I have NEVER had Mozilla crash. Not once. Not ever.

Bull-****.
1.4 crashes every time a Java applet loads for me. And yes, it's been reported to Bugzilla (but not by me).

At best, you were accidentally using a nightly build or a really, REALLY old version.

Neither: 1.4 is the latest real release.

EDIT: Missed part of your failure to understand reality (i.e. "post".)

I have only had this happen with a copy of MSIE on another person's computer; suggests that it's something wrong with your computer instead of Moz.

Oh, so perhaps it is infectuous and that's why it behaves the same way on the three regular computer systems I use...

It's not a problem with irregular behavior, it's a problem with smooth scrolling. Mozilla, until very recently, didn't have it. And even now, it's still bugged. As of 1.3 they had you enable it manually because it was so bugged...it's not any better now.

There's also a constant problem, particularly on Solaris, with text-field input in Mozilla. When inserting linebreaks, it will visually duplicate the line (ie, not delete the word from the top of the line while copying it down to the next line). It's very confusing...

And on Windows, its behavior in the textfield is inconsistent with Windows. In Windows, if you doubleclick on the textfield it will highlight it all. In Mozilla, it highlights only one word. Very annoying, to me anyway.

[Asher]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
(Really, you got me too hyped up now... )

I'm not sure I 100% know what he is talking about, but Ned is correct in that Moz text sizes are more abundant, you could say.

I know it's more abundant, but they're useless zoom settings.

I've used Mozilla a lot, and since 0.6, you need not hold my hand for the tour thank-you-very-much...

And what Ned said, mind you, was that IE had "nothing comparable".

Are your fonts not displaying right in Mozilla or are you just a bit behind in reading comprehension skills?

[mrmitchell]

Are your fonts not displaying right in Mozilla or are you just a bit behind in reading comprehension skills?

The second one

Bull-****.

If you're not going to believe me in the first place, why should I even try to talk to you?

Here, let me say it slower...

Mozilla...has....never...crashed...on...me.

[Q Classic]

what asher is saying is that if it's the case for him, it's the case for everybody. hence, his confusion (like me) at anyone who says xp crashes on them.

i've never experienced it (outside of incidents which i've caused)... therefore, anybody who has must be on crack.

[Asher]

I just find it odd that Mozilla has never crashed for someone who supposedly uses it a lot, because I use it only while at school or in Linux and it crashes quite a bit...along with all of the other annoying interface quirks/slowdowns I've already mentioned.

It gets the job done, but if given the choice of IE over Mozilla, I'd choose IE instantly.

Not that IE never crashes on me, just less than Mozilla does and it doesn't have the same annoyances.

[mrmitchell]

Well, who knows, maybe your school administrator installed some "Lead-Users-Toward-MSIE-With-Numberous-Mozilla-Crashes" patch

Then again, you happen to think IE is better, and for me Moz is better (as in it has never crashed on me) so to each his own, I guess.

(Even if one of each is right )

[St Leo]

IIRC, MSIE's zoom only applies to relativistic fonts. Mozilla's zoom applies to all fonts. Opera's zoom applies to everything.

[Q Classic]

MSIE's zoom only applies to relativistic fonts.

ie's fonts obviously approach the speed of light, which makes them superior. obviously, since it's a faster browser because of it.

[Asher]

Originally posted by St Leo
IIRC, MSIE's zoom only applies to relativistic fonts. Mozilla's zoom applies to all fonts. Opera's zoom applies to everything.

Mozilla's zoom does not apply to CSS fonts, at least the last time I used it.

It annoyed me particularly because it was under Linux with a horrid font config, and I seriously couldn't read the "last post" fields on Apolyton, so I tried the Text Zoom but it just blew up other stuff.

[mrmitchell]

Opera

The choice between Opera and Moz, as I see it, is how much you like advertising.

I hate advertising. I want it to die and burn in hell. Then I want its family and extended family to die and burn in hell, and after that I will dance on its grave. Thus, I want Moz.

However, if one might want to get a browser with a few neat bells and whistles at the cost of advertising, then they would want Opera.

[Q Classic]

there are, uh, cracks... ^^;

[mrmitchell]

I just tested it.

When you go to a larger zoom in IE, only a few of the fonts will get bigger.

When you go to a larger zoom in Moz, all the fonts get bigger, including text input fields and everything.

[Asher]

What good is the text zoom if it's buggy?

[Asher]

And if the text-zoom thing in IE really bugs you, there's an easy way to get around it...

[mrmitchell]

Asher, I only started noticing that until about +200%, and if you regularly use that much, you're going to have one HUGE middle finger from using your scroll wheel all that much. I mean, geez, you can't even see a decent post in a whole 1600x1200 screen almost.

[Q Classic]

i use my pointer finger for that button, too. the only thing my middle finger does is click the right button.

[Asher]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
Asher, I only started noticing that until about +200%, and if you regularly use that much, you're going to have one HUGE middle finger from using your scroll wheel all that much. I mean, geez, you can't even see a decent post in a whole 1600x1200 screen almost.

You don't have to excuse it.

It's just a perfect example of all of the little bugs that you'll continue to run into Mozilla that somehow drives most people back to IE after toying with it for a bit.

It still has a ways to go.

[mrmitchell]

Asher, as per your 21-07-2003 22:28 post:

WTF? I don't know what you're talking about, what you did, or why. (Usually a spam has at least a little backup to it )