World War One PBEM Playtest

[Nilat]

Im not!

[jim panse]

Along with German aid Skopje was liberated and is now once again part of the Ottoman Empire. Also the Russian Black Sea Fleet was annihilated.


@ Gameplay: What would you all say giving the Submarine Flag to all the naval vessels as shore bombardments were not really the key to victory. I´ve seen Pericles´ astonishing victory over the Allies and I´m thinking of different ways how to make this not possible in the future ......

[Palaiologos]

I would say NO.

Otherwise what would be the point of attaining naval superiority? If the ships can only be used against other ships, then they are not realy worth building.

And naval bombardment did play a role.

I can't think of a ww1 example but in operation Weserubung(sp?), the conquest of Norway(WW2), German battleships blasted Norwegian defences.

Perhaps if you decreased their stats a bit.

[Nilat]

And I would say NO!!

I agree with palaiologos!

[Patient English]

Well, I suggest this:

Naval Bombardment in WW1 had a role (Gallipolli, Belgium) but it was usually purpose-built Monitors, or obsolete Battleships.

The super-expensive Dreadnoughts were absolutely weapons of naval superiority, and their owners would not risk them in bombardment roles where mines or coastal submarines could sink them cheaply.

Naval superiority WAS worthwhile, particularly for the Brits. If they lost it, ultimately the High Seas Fleet could escort a huge invasion armada of Britain. More immediately, it would be almost impossible for British trade to survive.

I am going to try to simulate all this in my WW1 scenario (currently in development), but you're welcome to use the ideas/come up with solutions if you can...

In the meantime, why not have a Monitor unit, or let the old pre-Dreadnoughts bombard? The Dreadnoughts then protect these.

[academia]

I agree with Palaiologos
Please, don´t give them the submarine flag.
I played TSFE scenario, and all the vessels have that quality... believe me, it´s extremely frustrating that you can´t bombard coastal enemy cities

[Patient English]

Frustrating, maybe. But with a few exceptions, coastal bombardment of cities never happened.

Troops in the open, maybe, so you should give every coastal city a coastal battery. However, that only works for MP, because if the AI can bombard, it will, even if it is dumb to do so, and will soon burn up all its ships.

[Palaiologos]

I see it like this: when a "coastal bombardment" happens it is essentialy a general attack by the navy against that target, not ships linning up and bombard.

but that is my view.

I say allow ships to bombard but make it less potent.

[academia]

*No news... everything quiet in the empire.

[Palaiologos]

Dudes,

I will be leaving in order to give some exams for the university.
I will depart tommorow and only be back on September the 6th.

Thanks for your understanding.

I hope it is not much of a nuinsance. In all other circumstances i wouldn't care if someone else played my turn for me, but the battle for dominance against the RN has reached its climax, and i fear that my elaborate plans wouldn't be equally understood to anybody but me!


P.S Academia your super argentinian basketball team lost from Venezuela by 5. Shi_t happens i suppose!

P.S2 You never told me your opinion of the Greek referee in that World basketball championship final, did you?

[academia]

P.S Academia your super argentinian basketball team lost from Venezuela by 5. Shi_t happens i suppose!

Don´t even mention it!!!
I almost shoot myself

Explanations for that performance?
1) Overconfidence (in the last 6 games against Venezuela we beat them with an average of 23 points)
2) Tired (10 games in 12 days in inhuman)

Anyway, wanna hear more odd results?
Venezuela beat Canada
Mexico defeated Brazil

Seriously... i´m astonished.... well, in general terms the world of basketball is upside-down. We are in chaos... and a new world order will emerge. i´m sure

P.S2 You never told me your opinion of the Greek referee in that World basketball championship final, did you?

In my opinion, it was foul
However, i admit that we lost that game. ok? we were winning the game (i don´t remember right now the difference) Yugoslavia stayed closed... we gave them a chance... and well... you know, it´s Yugoslavia

BTW, how´s Greece doing?? in september begins the european qualifying tournament
good luck

[academia]

Mmm... you are the greek guy that posted in my thread about the basketball wc2002, aren´t you?

[Nilat]

I have to inform you guys that im pretty new in PBEMs and Im trying different strategies so can someone on my side or the enemy comment things I do?

I know I have done a few mistakes in this PBEM but practise makes perfect

[FiGu]

Entente Turn:

England:
The Royal Navy Launched their attack against the German Fleet, which got completly destroyed!
Leciester Was ReCaptured, and London is blocked, from getting reinforcements.

France:
calm on the fronts, Paris and Nancy Reinforced.

Italian Turn:

Nothing much happened.

[Nilat]

you decided to play italy too?

[Nilat]

The Russian army has captured Bucuresti with small Casualties! Now Russia can help the Serbs against the Ottomans!

Three german units were annihilated east and north of Königsberg.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

(its december now)

[Nilat]

Bump

[Galvatron]

Aaand here I'm.

Jim I think you should increase the stats of the Austrians in comparison to the Russians. I think the equipment and training of the Austrians were faaar better than that of the Russians.

Have a look at yourself:
Even 4 Austrian-Inf can't beat ONE russian inf. I mean it's unrealistic for an Army to withstand an onslaught of FOUR. Furthermore even Artillery is useless against the Inf. An attack of three Artilleries just get the Russian inf to the beginning of Yellow.

On with the propaganda:
The Austrians entrench themselve in awaiting of the russian juggernaut BUT we will prevail and stop them, afterwards we will push them back to Moscow. Austrian women will receive postcards from their men from Moscow not latter than the end of the next year, this is a promise from the Emperor of all Emperors, Kaiser Galvy I.

Oh and finally the Austrian Royal family wish all Monarchs a merry Christmas, even the Anarchistic Republic’s of France and US

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Patient English
Is this game still progressing? I am doing a WW1 scenario myself at the moment, and would be interested in seeing how this one pans out....

John

When did you start this one? I thought Colonies IV was your "last" effort...........

[Nilat]

Galvatron, If my units are on a mountain spot it is nearly impossible to destroy me cause 150% defence!
And I have most of my units on mountains!
And the russian army is so crap so dont complain

[jim panse]

BUMP

[Nilat]

Palaiologos is away again

[Palaiologos]

Dudes i am back.

Turn coming up in a few minutes as i am watching Armenia vs Greece on T.V.

[Palaiologos]

Casualities on the West front have been horendous.

The flower of German youth has perished on the battlefields of France. Despite that considerable gains have been made.

Attack on Nantes heights failed.

Unhonorable hit and run tactics have been adopted by the Kriegsmarine, to the dismay of German naval commanders. At the same time coastal cities are frantically garissoned.

Savage fighting on the Ost front with the Russians being repulsed from koenigsburg.


NOTE TO ALL:
Dudes, the loss rate of the German army has been very high. Nevertheless i neither reloaded or restarted as agreed. Hope you are doing the same.



P.S Yup i was the Greek poster of Academia's basketball thread.

P.S2 Armenia-Greece: 0-1

Ha!


P.S3 Sorry for the delay.

[jim panse]

Nothing much happened this time (´cept for being out way too late yestereve )

[Palaiologos]

Originally posted by Galvatron
Aaand here I'm.

Jim I think you should increase the stats of the Austrians in comparison to the Russians. I think the equipment and training of the Austrians were faaar better than that of the Russians.

Mmmm...

They both had bad quality troops. The Austrians even got defeated by the Serbs.

The russians on the other hand were quite successfull(at first at least) on invading Austrian-held Silesia.

Have a look at yourself:
Even 4 Austrian-Inf can't beat ONE russian inf. I mean it's unrealistic for an Army to withstand an onslaught of FOUR.

At Thermopylae 7.000 held on against 200.000. They eventually lost though.

And at Gaugamela 35.000 defeated 1.000.000(or so sources claim).

And WW1 was the apotheosis of defensive warfare.

Dude see it as in real life.No commander would simply launch infantry waves on entrenched infantry without prior artillery bombardment.

On the other hand an "army"(division?) unit in the scenario is considered to have some brigades of artillery and engineers attached.

Perhaps if all infantry units had their attack increased by one.....

You see in normal civ2 almost all land units have higher attack than defence cause there are many bonuses to defending(terrain, fortify, walls, veterancy etc) while attack only gets the veterancy.

Furthermore even Artillery is useless against the Inf. An attack of three Artilleries just get the Russian inf to the beginning of Yellow.

Actually artillery results are pretty random(due the few HP artys have).I have defeated MGs on trenches and lost from infantry on open ground.

Okay i know that bombardment results are unpredictable, but civ2 artillery doesn't actually "bombard" but rather "assaults".
Perhaps if artys had more HPs but less defence.

[academia]

No news...

[Palaiologos]

In response to allied propaganda the General staff has released today the official casualties' figures for both Allied and German armed forces.

German Imperial army: 150.002 KIA (141.323 men, 8.679 officers), 321.449 WIA(300.338 men, 21.111 officers) 29.995 MIA(28.900 men, 1.095 officers)

Great Britain: 83.000 KIA(estimated), 120.256 POWs(101.035 men, 19.221 officers)

France: 53.000 KIA(estimated), 71.248 POWs(59.238 men, 11.010 officers)

Russia: 125.000 KIA(estimated), 189.923 POWs(153.567 men, 26.353 officers)

Colonial forces(Britain): 20.000 KIA(estimated), 55.234 POWs(53.200 men, 2.034 officers)

Austria: 12.222 KIA(10.121 men, 1.101 officers) 17.778 POWs(15.557 men, 2.221 officers)

Turkey*: 2.345 KIA(2.314 men, 31 officers) 207 POWs(199 men, 8 officers)

These casualities only apply for the land forces. The kriegsmarine has forfeited any figures for "operational purposes".




*German expeditionary force under Liman von Sanders.
Turkish army casualities are minimal.

[FiGu]

Entente Turn
MAJOR VICTORY FOR Royal Navy! The German fleet bayed at Antwerpen along with the Antwerpen Garrison is completly destroyed! Le Havre Bombarded also by Navy Units. Hamburg Garrison Completly destroyed!
French Forces made a major counter attack against the German Forces in the Northern France, which ended up in Numerous casaulties to the German forces!
Oh and London Recaptured. Vive la Allies!

Italian Turn
ITALY DECLARES WAR ON AUSTRIA, GERMANY AND THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE!

AUSTRIAN NAVY COMPLETLY DESTROYED!

Italian forces moves in the Alps to meet the Pitty Austrian resistance!

[FiGu]

LE HAVRE
Lies lies! German News papers lies!

German Casaulties 350.532 KIA (275.532 Soldiers, 75.000 Officers) 1.123.432 WIA (1023.432 Soldiers, 100.000 Officers) Estimated 2.500.000 Million German POWS

Oh and here's the Navy

Royal Navy
Numerous Dreadnoughts and Ship of Lines got destroyed, however, the backbone of the RN still exsists.

French Navy
None

Italian Navy
Damaged ships, but none destroyed

Russian Navy
Totally Destroyed.. Terminated

German Navy
Whole High Sea Fleet Destroyed

Austrian Navy
Whole Fleet Destroyed in a single attack.

Ottoman Navy
Unknown