I HATE vegitarians who are vegitarians because of the animals well being - Page 5

chequita guevara · July 28, 2003, 16:35

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Originally posted by Dissident
blah! blah! growing plants takes up more space. *yawn*

Show me a plant that has as much protein (and B12 for that matter) as meat and tastes just as good.

Go to the store. In the frozen food section are meatless burgers which taste like the real thing. They are made from wheat gluten. They also have chickenless patties. Finally, baked tufu has an incredibly meatlike texture such that it has fooled confirmed carnivores to whom I've given it.

chequita guevara · July 28, 2003, 16:38

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Originally posted by Maniac
According to my biology teacher from a few years back, there's a certain vitamin that the human body doesn't produce in sufficient quality out of itself, and which can only be found in meat. You need to eat meat at least once a month to stay completely healthy, so he said.

He was wrong. He was likely referring to B-vitimins, which can easily be gained from eating one of two different types of yeast. What is true is that if you aren't careful, and you don't eat balanced vegitarian meals, you can get malnutrician. Vegitarianism forces you to think about what you're eating, and if you jst like to grab something and eat on the go, it's not a good lifestyle for you.

The Mad Monk · July 28, 2003, 16:39

Soy patties have definately gotten better over the years -- though my favorite remains black bean patties.

chequita guevara · July 28, 2003, 16:40

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Originally posted by OliverFA
I don't eat vegetables because I cannot stand the thought of these poor beings being killed just to give me something to eat

Gee, that was funny the first time I heard it, about twnety years ago.

chequita guevara · July 28, 2003, 16:43

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Originally posted by Gibsie
the number of people who actually die from eating infected meat is still so low that it gets reported in newspapers. So bleh

Assuming you aren't referring to just Mad Cow, many thousnads of Americans die every year from food poisoning, generally from undercooked meat.

The Mad Monk · July 28, 2003, 16:48

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Originally posted by Osweld

Cows Chickens and Pigs are all man-made species for the purpose of farming.

Alright the...consider the American White-Tailed Deer.

Due to a combination of uraban development and rural "varmant shooting", the deer had nearly disappeared from New Jersey by the turn of the century. However, because people wanted venison, they decided to try and save the deer. At first, they had a moratorium on hunting, and brought in deer from other regions, to create a healthy and diverse breeding stock. As time went on, they re-introduced hunting, and regulated it such that the herds would not be over-hunted.

Today, white-tailed deer are everywhere in New Jersey, all because we like venison.

Zero · July 28, 2003, 17:10

Vegans have no appreciation for plant life.

Gibsie · July 28, 2003, 17:30

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Assuming you aren't referring to just Mad Cow, many thousnads of Americans die every year from food poisoning, generally from undercooked meat.

But that's an argument for cooking meat thoroughly, not stopping eating meat altogether.

Odin · July 28, 2003, 17:42

Most herbaceous plants grown for food (grains, corn, etc) are annuals, they would die if not harversted anyway.

Che, one can raise the herbivourous fish to feed the carnivorous fish.

chequita guevara · July 28, 2003, 17:50

Actually, many food plants couldn't survive without humans anyway. Corn (maize), for example, cannot reproduce without human intervention. We have to remove the husks in order for the seeds to grow.

Odin, the oceans were fine until about forty years ago, when factory fishing apeared. The Pacific Halibut is the major exception, which was nearly fished to extinction in the 1920s, and is now the best managed wild fish stock in the world. I believe in managing wild stocks, not replacing them with factory farming methods.

Zero · July 28, 2003, 18:08

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Actually, many food plants couldn't survive without humans anyway. Corn (maize), for example, cannot reproduce without human intervention. We have to remove the husks in order for the seeds to grow.

Those gigantic thingamajig is not natural to begin with because we have been genetically engineering for thousands of years.

Cow couldnt survive without humans cause we genetically engineered them to be total retards and fat. Same thing.

So corn is a bad example.

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Most herbaceous plants grown for food (grains, corn, etc) are annuals, they would die if not harversted anyway.

Not sure but arent grains and corn the seeds of the plant? If we are eating the seeds i dont see how this would benefit the plants.

Exception of fruits (which are made by the plants for animals to be eating) it is not advantageous for plants to be consumed by animals.

EDIT: Minus F words

chequita guevara · July 28, 2003, 18:15

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Originally posted by Zero
Cow couldnt ****ing survive without humans cause we genetically engineered them to be total retards and fat. Same thing.

Except, of course, for all the wild cattle.

Both Florida and Texas had huge herds of wild cattle because of the disrution of ranching during the civil war. Florida even still has a wild herd. I dunno about Texas.

Zero · July 28, 2003, 18:15

oh and may I add one more thing:

Farming is a natural thing. Ants farm and milk (forgot insect name) for their milk, and as I said, Cows have farm of bacteria living in their gut that they feed with grass only to be consumed when they grow in numbers.... so I dont see why you have something agst farming animals. Oh no the cruelty! We should charge those ants with lawsuits

Zero · July 28, 2003, 18:23

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara

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Originally posted by Zero
Cow couldnt ****ing survive without humans cause we genetically engineered them to be total retards and fat. Same thing.

Except, of course, for all the wild cattle.

Both Florida and Texas had huge herds of wild cattle because of the disrution of ranching during the civil war. Florida even still has a wild herd. I dunno about Texas.

Duh! Obviously if they're wild animals/plants can live w/o humans. What was the point was bringing this up? Thanks for stating the obvious.

EDIT: I cuss too much, when its not really necessary. (took profanities out)

chequita guevara · July 29, 2003, 12:25

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Originally posted by Zero

Duh! Obviously if they're wild animals/plants can live w/o humans. What was the point was bringing this up? Thanks for stating the obvious.

They had previously been domesticated. They went wild when they were untended during the Civil War.

Peter Triggs · July 29, 2003, 12:52

A few years ago, someone at the Department of Psychology of Oxford University was doing research on eating disorders. They wanted people to fill in some questionaires and asked for volunteers who had ever been:

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anorexic,

bulimic, or

vegetarian

Don't know what results they came up with.

General Ludd · July 29, 2003, 12:54

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Originally posted by The Mad Monk

Alright the...consider the American White-Tailed Deer.

Due to a combination of uraban development and rural "varmant shooting", the deer had nearly disappeared from New Jersey by the turn of the century. However, because people wanted venison, they decided to try and save the deer. At first, they had a moratorium on hunting, and brought in deer from other regions, to create a healthy and diverse breeding stock. As time went on, they re-introduced hunting, and regulated it such that the herds would not be over-hunted.

Today, white-tailed deer are everywhere in New Jersey, all because we like venison.

But the reason they where facing extinction in the first place was humans. We chose not to kill them all off so that we could continue to eat them. How benevolent of us.

The ecoystem there is as damaged as ever, keeping them around to eat hasn't helped anything but humans.

Traianvs · July 29, 2003, 19:02

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Originally posted by obiwan18

People are animals too. Even if they are human 'pigs' should we not care for them and treat them well?

Like I said, sometimes a species gets out of control and dominates the region. This is usually because we introduce them somewhere else, because normally nature can handle these things; and they don't happen on such a large scale. That's when we have to do something to restore the ecological balance. Humans are far worse, instead of controlling just a region they control pretty much the whole world which puts an enormous strain on anything else living on this planet.

Problems can have very simple causes btw; we don't always actively harm them, also passively.. For example people that keep lights on in their garden all night, or factories that keep bright lamps on during the night seriously disrupts night animals and can have quite some repercussions.. Simple example.

I don't think you can deny that we have a light overpopulation right?

Again I have no problem if we have to hunt down a certain species if we need to do that; I don't like butchering animals, but there are times it just needs to be done. I know you think we can't start butchering people (actually we do!!

) but you know.. we just live way too long; we were not supposed to get so old... In prehistoric times old people as we know them now wouldn't exist because they wouldn't be able to simply survive..

PS azazel: what a sad thing to say... okay then, I'd kill a million israeli to save one palestinian...

now how does that feel?

Traianvs · July 29, 2003, 19:04

it's all the fault of those damn mofos in the Taurus mountains in the Middle east that introduced metallurgy

they're the ones who started the human technological advance into large large communities, eventually cities and then empires!

Az · July 29, 2003, 19:06

gee, I never realized that che is a pansy.

The Mad Monk · July 29, 2003, 19:23

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Originally posted by Osweld

But the reason they where facing extinction in the first place was humans. We chose not to kill them all off so that we could continue to eat them. How benevolent of us.

The ecoystem there is as damaged as ever, keeping them around to eat hasn't helped anything but humans.

Benevolence has nothing to do with it. They are alive, and even thrive, because they are of use to us.

JCG · July 29, 2003, 19:25

I'll admit that I fully support genocide against cockroaches and misc. insects...most are only good for spreading filth and disease (and scaring the **** out of people)

But I wouldn't oppose improving the treatment of other animals killed for food, and wouldn't mind eating more vegetables instead of meat...just that I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, if it's not possible.

Humans should take care of humans first (just like all other animals take care of their own), but trying to keep the natural environment at least reasonably clean and functioning while they do so (this could certainly be improved much more even today, as a lot of needless damage evidently continues...).

General Ludd · July 29, 2003, 19:57

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Originally posted by The Mad Monk

Benevolence has nothing to do with it. They are alive, and even thrive, because they are of use to us.

And why's that a good thing? Allowing something to live as food source is hardly a noble thing. I don't see how you can say that as a defence of eating meat - it just makes the practice that much more disgusting.