July 27, 2003, 16:22
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How would you describe firing rockets into residential areas to kill suspected terrorist leaders?
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good aim.
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July 27, 2003, 16:25
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"good aim"
Well that asks for a tasteless reply, but I'll abstain.
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July 27, 2003, 16:41
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why are the Palestinians such cry babies? Israel offers them a perfectly good state, and they reject it... Do they think terrorism and militantism is fun or somethn? And why does Hamas vow to fight till the destruction of Israel? Cant they just get over it? Its like dealing with children... with pipe bombs who blow you up if they dont get what they want...
I mean, they can begin to make something out of their lives... all they do is complaign that their homes are such **** holes... well gee, maybe if you went to work instead of parading in the street with a rifle you could improve your standing in life a bit, no? 
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July 27, 2003, 17:13
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler
How would you describe firing rockets into residential areas to kill suspected terrorist leaders?
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war.
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July 27, 2003, 17:28
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Originally posted by yavoon
I would personally be shitting myself if I was a soldier w/ an assault rifle standing a post anywhere in the middle east and wasn't arab. the entire ****ing place suicide bombs, protests, shoots. and on top of it a bunch of frickin liberals keep telling me I need some form of omniscience in order to protect myself.
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I couldn't agree with you more. 
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July 27, 2003, 18:28
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hmmm
Templar seems like a descent honest man. I deem him possible for conversion / stance change.
Just to post an article about what Palestinian "freedom warriors" are all about :
(notice the planner is sharing bedrooms with... Arafat. Also Fatah is Arafat's party. He's the chairman of it.)
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Shin Bet nabs Fatah man planning suicide bombings
By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent and Haaretz Service
It was released for publication Sunday that the
Shin Bet security service and Israel Defense
Forces last week arrested a Fatah activist
suspected of planning suicide bombings that were
to be carried out in the near future in Tel Aviv
or Netanya. The Shin Bet said that another
activist, hiding in Palestinian Authority Chairman
Yasser Arafat's Muqata compound in Ramallah, was
also involved in planning the attack.
The arrested militant, Issim
Faruh from Ramallah, confessed
to his interrogators that he
was to soon dispatch two women
to carry out suicide bombings
in Tel Aviv or Netanya
nighclubs. The two women were
supposed to arrive leave the
West Bank city of Nablus and
arrive in Ramallah, where they
would cross into Israel.
Faruh said that head of the organizing efforts
was Fatah activist Kamal Ra'anam, 26, who is
hiding in the Muqata and has recently been
involved in several shooting attcks in the
city, in which three Israelis were killed.
Over the weekend, Israel gave the Palestinian
Authority security apparatus details about
Ra'anam and demanded that he be arrested.
Security sources in Israel said that he has yet
to be taken into custody.
4 Palestinians arrested on suspicion of stabbing
attack
Four Palestinian residents of the northern
Jerusalem refugee camp of Shuefat were arrested
on suspicion of stabbing Pisgat Ze'ev resident
David Shilo last week, as he was riding his
bicycle next to the French Hill intersection.
Police said that the four confessed to the
attack and claimed that they were driven to do
so out of their hatred for Jews. A court Sunday
afternoon extended their remand by four days.
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July 27, 2003, 18:30
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How would you describe firing rockets into residential areas to kill suspected terrorist leaders?
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Actions of war, against illegal combatants which are trying to hide among civilian population.
According to the rules of war, they are to blame for putting civilian lives at stake, and Israel is allowed to persecute them into residential areas.
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July 27, 2003, 18:35
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"blame" is not correct, Siro. They are not allowed to hide in civilian populations, and we're not allowed to bomb indiscriminately, which can mean, in this case, that we must weigh the potenetial civilian casualties vs. the potential benefit of the strike. 1st additional protocol to the Geneva convention, IIRC.
Of course, the above statement is as vague as it gets.
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July 27, 2003, 18:35
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Sirotnikov: You're right about the terrorists being responsible but do you reall expect the truth to sway the die hard Jew haters?
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July 27, 2003, 18:44
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Re: Israel makes a huge mistake.
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Originally posted by Oerdin
And there is no doubt that many innocent civilains will die because of it. Sharon is reportedly going to give in to Palestinian demands that imprisioned terrorists be set free. This means that many murders and hardered terrorists will once again be free to walk the streets and commit more acts of terror. As of today the PA has not moved one inch towards disarming the numerous Palestinian terror organizations. Under the road map for peace the PA's one and only obligation is to disarm terrorist organizations.
Once again the PA gets something for nothing and the world is worse off because of it. 
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...ers/index.html
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hi ,
how do you know we make a mistake , ..... 
everything has its plan , ....... 
have a nice day
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July 27, 2003, 18:55
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"blame" is not correct, Siro. They are not allowed to hide in civilian populations, and we're not allowed to bomb indiscriminately, which can mean, in this case, that we must weigh the potenetial civilian casualties vs. the potential benefit of the strike. 1st additional protocol to the Geneva convention, IIRC.
Of course, the above statement is as vague as it gets.
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Well of course it doesn't justify a nuke. But we are in no way forced to weigh the potential civilian casualties in any way different that any other action.
I specifically recall reading that we are allowed to use weapons in the city, if combatants hide there, to prevent this issue from becoming a 'war winning' strategy.
What most people don't get is that they are too used to policing everything, and there are issues which only the military can take care of (like terrorists in other countries).
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Sirotnikov: You're right about the terrorists being responsible but do you reall expect the truth to sway the die hard Jew haters?
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no. but I spot no jew haters in this thread.
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July 28, 2003, 02:15
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Originally posted by Azazel
war.
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So you are at war with... whom? The PA? Hamas?
Take any prisoners of war recently?
Siro:
"I specifically recall reading that we are allowed to use weapons in the city, if combatants hide there, to prevent this issue from becoming a 'war winning' strategy."
That is true for war. It may even be true for fighting terrorism. Not every extrajudicial killing is unjustified.
If we talk about Geneva, however, the more urgent issue would be for Israel to respect its obligations as an occupying power.
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July 28, 2003, 05:48
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So you are at war with... whom? The PA? Hamas?
Take any prisoners of war recently?
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No, only illegal combatants.
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July 28, 2003, 05:53
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You know there is a little problem with a "war" that only has illegal combatants. Why are they combatants? Because it's a war. Why is it a war? Because there are combatants.
Next thing, drug deakers are illegal combatants in the war on drugs...
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July 28, 2003, 05:58
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You know there is a little problem with a "war" that only has illegal combatants. Why are they combatants? Because it's a war. Why is it a war? Because there are combatants.
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IDF are not illegal combatants.
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July 28, 2003, 06:11
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"IDF are not illegal combatants."
Who said they are? 
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July 28, 2003, 06:13
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Ah, maybe this was the cause, ket me rephrase the sentence:
"You know there is a little problem with a "war" that is waged against illegal combatants only."
Just because a regular army is involved on one side doesn't make it a war.
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July 28, 2003, 06:21
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what does make a war?
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July 28, 2003, 06:24
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Militarily organised combatants that control territory on both sides. IMO you could only be at war with the PA, not Hamas etc.
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July 28, 2003, 06:39
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IMO you're wrong, esp. since the realities of wars and powers have changed...
besides, I don't think the PA is a signatory to the geneva convention. 
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July 28, 2003, 06:42
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"IMO you're wrong, esp. since the realities of wars and powers have changed..."
So we are evolvong back to the 19th century? Maybe... but what is the definition then?
"I don't think the PA is a signatory to the geneva convention."
Irrelevant.
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July 28, 2003, 06:49
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So we are evolvong back to the 19th century? Maybe... but what is the definition then?
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Just throwing some ideas into the air here:
"Armed conflict between two political entities"?
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July 28, 2003, 06:51
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Is Hamas a political entity? If so, was Germany at war with the RAF? Does it mean that every terrorist organisation, due its poilitical aims, is a political entity - which means the state is at war with it? Can Hamas and Jihad be at war with each other?
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July 28, 2003, 06:55
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Yes.
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July 28, 2003, 07:00
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Then the term "war" is totally meaningless.
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July 28, 2003, 07:05
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why so?
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July 28, 2003, 07:48
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Well what is its meaning under that broad a definition? What does it mean for the applicability of humanatarian law? How does it relate to domestic criminal law?
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July 28, 2003, 07:56
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depends on the sircumstances. Do you really want me to describe each situation? I've just had some great greek salad, and meetloaf. 
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July 28, 2003, 08:00
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Ok, let's talk about food.
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July 28, 2003, 08:08
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What I meant is that I've just had dinner and feel very relaxed, so I don't want to describe each detail....
But I guess we can talk about food.
Do you like salad?
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