Web design: frames or no frames? - Page 2

geeslaka · August 11, 2003, 06:16

What about navigation through popups and plugins such as this site uses? Is that a good nav method?

Pekka · August 11, 2003, 06:17

I agree with most of you here, NO frames. Most of the times they only suck. And no Flash

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Ribannah · August 11, 2003, 06:37

Personally, I' a big fan of frames. They provide easy and logical structure, without the need to economize on the way the menus look.

Wraith · August 11, 2003, 07:40

--"What about navigation through popups and plugins such as this site uses? Is that a good nav method?"

That's a horrible method. Frames or no frames, each of those methods has a decent use. A good frames site can be great to use, but frames aren't too hard to mess up.

Pop-up and plug-ins, on the other hand, just flat out suck. Pop-ups are the worst of all, and plug-ins are almost as bad as the run-of-the-mill all-Flash site.

Wraith
"Getting caught is the mother of invention."
-- Robert Byrne

Immortal Wombat · August 11, 2003, 08:51

http://ermsays.net/aaargh
Click "spawn"

Makeo · August 11, 2003, 09:00

interesting. i clickd on that tentively. thought it would spawn endless popups or java windows.

geeslaka · August 11, 2003, 09:05

Interesting. A very good example of why nav through popups is bad.

Immortal Wombat · August 11, 2003, 09:06

nope. just a clustersite I thought would be cool, and ended up being slow and unwieldy

:) Smiley · August 11, 2003, 09:24

Say, is there any way to have navigation by command prompt?

geeslaka · August 11, 2003, 09:29

That would truly be cool. I think it's possible. My observation is that sites with login boxes is that if you hit enter after entering something into the login box it will verify the info and change that page. It should be possible to use the same code to make a text box that could be used as a command line.

One of my school friends is a javascript expert. I'll ask him as soon school starts for me.

:) Smiley · August 11, 2003, 09:30

Say, is there any way to have navigation by command prompt?

Immortal Wombat · August 11, 2003, 10:09

geeslaka · August 11, 2003, 10:15

Smiley, you had me scared for a moment there, I thought my reply got lost in transit.

IW, doesn't work.

Immortal Wombat · August 11, 2003, 10:16

I had to edit a bit, but it does work now.

FrustratedPoet · August 11, 2003, 10:21

Not for me it doesn't.

"No thread specified"

geeslaka · August 11, 2003, 10:30

It works if I click go but not if I hit enter.(it doesnt' work at all if I hit my chair)

Hueij · August 11, 2003, 10:31

Doesn't work for me (Opera)

Urban Ranger · August 11, 2003, 10:59

Doesn't work for me, either.

Immortal Wombat · August 11, 2003, 11:00

How weird. it goes into some poly code routine if you press enter. The go button should work at least in IE. Probably I'd have to set up a function outside the form to make it completely correct.

Lets see now... Input a valid thread ID into this one, and either enter or the button should load the thread.

Urban Ranger · August 11, 2003, 11:03

Nope.

When I click on the button nothing happens. When I press <enter> I got this error message:

Code:

Database error in vBulletin: Invalid SQL: SELECT forumid FROM thread where threadid=deadwombats
mysql error: Unknown column 'deadwombats' in 'where clause'
mysql error number: 1054
Date: Monday 11th of August 2003 11:01:50 AM
Script: /forums/showthread.php?threadid=deadwombats
Referer: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...postid=2253728

Immortal Wombat · August 11, 2003, 11:05

deadwombats perhaps isn't a valid thread ID.

mrmitchell · August 11, 2003, 12:18

IW's second box (threadid) works fine for me.

http://www.google.com in the first one directed me to some "web1000" ****. Augh.

geeslaka · August 11, 2003, 12:33

IW's second box works fine for me.

chequita guevara · August 11, 2003, 12:43

You can get around the file size issue by making common parts of the navigation JavaScript includes. External scripts are only loaded once, and reside in memory thereafter.

Don't listen to St. Leo. Client-side includes are the way to go.

Immortal Wombat · August 11, 2003, 13:04

Quote:

Originally posted by mrmitchell
http://www.google.com in the first one directed me to some "web1000" ****. Augh.

you don't need the http://

mrmitchell · August 11, 2003, 13:55

Well, without it www.google.com I get the invalid thread specified error.

Adagio · August 11, 2003, 15:39

Back to topic:

I have seen way too many sites which could defently use the use of frames. Frames makes it easy (and logical) to find around the site, though few sites would be worse if they use frames (Like Apolyton... I can't see no reason why Apolyton should have frames)

But on the other hand: If you're going to use frames, be sure to make them useable... I have seen tons of sites which uses frames, but in the ugliest way possible (e.g. the menu uses 50% of the window)

If you know how to use frames: Use 'em
If you don't: Learn it

Atahualpa · August 11, 2003, 17:25

I use SSI to build up navigation and content. Works great.

Nevertheless I use a lot of nested tables and transparent gifs for placing.

Urban Ranger · August 13, 2003, 11:19

Quote:

Originally posted by ADG
I have seen way too many sites which could defently use the use of frames. Frames makes it easy (and logical) to find around the site, though few sites would be worse if they use frames (Like Apolyton... I can't see no reason why Apolyton should have frames)

Personally, I have never seen any websites where frames actually improve the design and navigation.

For starters, it screws up bookmarking and navigation.

St Leo · August 14, 2003, 00:29

I use SSI at my new site. Works like a charm.