View Poll Results: Should English be the United States official language?
English should be the official language 37 62.71%
French should be 4 6.78%
Spanish Should be 3 5.08%
German should be 5 8.47%
There should be no official language 10 16.95%
banana? 0 0%
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Old August 14, 2003, 03:54   #1
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Arnold Swarchenegger advocated having English as our official language
I heard this on the radio- on a CBS radio report. I can't find any info to back this up. Though he did back a proposition to restrict illegal immigrant access to social services.

But they were really painting Arnold as a right-winger.

But is it so wrong to have English as our national language? Not that it makes any difference. We don't really need a national official language. We've gotten by just fine for the last 200 + years.
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Boo hoo hoo.

You are speaking English. Bush is speaking English. Hell, even the Latinos are speaking English.
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Bush is speaking English.


I'll resist. For now

Anyway, there should be NO official language.
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I disagree.
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This is one of those non-issue issues that people love dragging out every few years - to me, it's a PC way of saying "I don't like the Hispanic hordes" without sounding like a racist/bigot.
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maybe its not so inane. in 40 years the hispanics will be the majority. they could vote through spanish as the official language!
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Not true. According to the census bureau, using the middle series projections, on July 1st, 2100 there will be 190,000,000 people of Hispanic origin, 230,000,000 Caucasians, 74,000,000 Blacks, 4,000,000 Native Americans, and 71,000,000 Asians living in the US.

http://www.census.gov/population/pro...l/d2091_00.pdf
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Not true. According to the census bureau, using the middle series projections, on July 1st, 2100 there will be 190,000,000 people of Hispanic origin, 230,000,000 Caucasians, 74,000,000 Blacks, 4,000,000 Native Americans, and 71,000,000 Asians living in the US.

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it was tongue in cheek neway. holy crap thats a lot of ppl. I hope all our new cities come up in deserts.
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I se ya to Arnie's Proposeeshon, anda ze kondeeshon it is english wizz ein Oooostrien Ahksent.
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So, is he now going to learn english himself too ?
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Yes I think it should. But maybe some states with a large Spanish speaking population (New Mexico?) could be bilingual.

But then again
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Well, Arnie wouldn't be the first Austrian populist, would he?

Diss, without wanting to overly criticize you, but why can seemingly no one American spell Arnold Schwarzenegger correct? I know that his last name has a Germanic touch, which is not "usual" there, and you try to transcript it phonetically, but it's hard to understand though. If we spelled anglophone names in our idiom, your top politicians would be these:

Dschordsch Dabbljuh Busch
Ritschart Tschieny
Kollin Pauel
Donald Rammsfeld
Kondolisa Reis

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Sounds more correct to me
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The correct pronounciation is Shvartsenegger, right?

btw, Rumsfeld is a German name as well
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There shouldn´t be any official languages in the world. The French should accept English as well, Germany should accept Turkish and Polish, Russia should accept Latin, Greek and Hebrew. Israel should accept Arabic, Arab nations should accept Finnish
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Yes I think it should. But maybe some states with a large Spanish speaking population (New Mexico?) could be bilingual.
We've seen how that worked in Canada. Quebec is the most annoying province they have.
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Did you guys know that Latino kids could graduate from High School in California with straight A's and never learn English?
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No official languages anywhere, please. It'll just cause resentment and I don't understand the gain. People will adapt and learn the languages they need to. At best, maybe you should officially (in schools or whatever) encourage people to learn the majority language, but don't privilege it by force of law when it's already privileged by custom. English is still the vastly majority language in the USA and there's no reason to believe it won't remain so even far in the future.
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Kitschum, just how does a school "encourage" a student to learn the language of country?
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DinoDoc, Now that is a good idea.
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Why isn't Arabic on the list of choices in the poll?
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maybe its not so inane. in 40 years the hispanics will be the majority. they could vote through spanish as the official language!
Not without repealing or revising the First Amendment.
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Official language please

Did you know it is against FDA and GMP regulations to speak any language but english on the floor of a drug manufacturing plant in the US? Subsiquently, no documents are to be written in any language but english... Yet, there are people who can hardly speak or read English working there?

I've had to encourage people to fire certain workers who couldn't read and comprehend documentation... They must think the world of me...
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Yes I think it should. But maybe some states with a large Spanish speaking population (New Mexico?) could be bilingual.

But then again
California has the largest Spanish speaking population of any state. More then even Porto Rico where EVERYONE speaks Spanish. Of course this is mostly due to the fact the politicians want latino votes and so they look the other way as an estimated 8 million illegal aliens has pored into the state.

They can wait in line and fill out the legal paper work before they come here or they should be deported like the law breaking criminals they are.
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We've seen how that worked in Canada. Quebec is the most annoying province they have.
It's worked quite well in Canada. You guys had trouble integrating 10% of your population that spoke the same language as the rest of you. At one time (namely in the first few decades of confederation) french-speakers made up 40% of the population, and we've managed to keep it together without major riots, civil war, etc. for 135 years.

And Quebec is supposed to be annoying. That's its role.

Ontario makes the money
Quebec and Alberta ***** and moan
BC grows the pot
the Maritimes are poor
and the Prairies are boring

By the way, Quebec operates provincially less bilingually than Canada does federally. You don't hear English spoken in the provincial assembly in Quebec City.
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California has the largest Spanish speaking population of any state. More then even Porto Rico where EVERYONE speaks Spanish. Of course this is mostly due to the fact the politicians want latino votes and so they look the other way as an estimated 8 million illegal aliens has pored into the state.

They can wait in line and fill out the legal paper work before they come here or they should be deported like the law breaking criminals they are.
Who's gonna pick the veggies and sew in the sweatshops, and where will all the white yuppies get their maids? They're here not because of state politicians (who have no say in immigration), but because employers want them here. And 8 million is bullshit - every fourth person in the state would be a pollo, so with all the legal residents, you'd have a state that was practically 50% Mexican. I've been and worked all over the state just about, so unless they're hiding in Siskiyou County or living in a massive subterranean city under the streets of LA, there's still plenty of lily-white faces around. None of whom would give up their unemployment to go pick lettuce in the nice hot sun, though.
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