August 17, 2003, 04:56
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Official seal: US is fascist! (both joke and non-joke)
I am fascinated with symbols, emblems and seals.
And then I noticed the US senate seal. Cool huh?
But guess, what, it has a clear fascio - the sign that represented fascism and it's idea (unity, state above all, militarism)
And I also noticed it features an unclear red hat which is either a communist cap, or belongs to santa claus. very very wierd.
I read the history page, but didn't notice they made reference to the fascio.
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August 17, 2003, 05:03
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Look into E Pluribus Unum.
Then note the size and location of the olive branches in relation to the faschio.
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August 17, 2003, 05:35
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What is the symbolism of olive branches?
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August 17, 2003, 05:35
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The cap got to be the Phrygian cap or cap of liberty, also later used by French revolutionaries. Don't know exactly why that cap was chosen as a symbol.
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August 17, 2003, 05:36
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Your avatar is very distracting, Mr. Sirotnikov.
"E Pluribus Unum" means . . . something like "Unity in Diversity"?
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August 17, 2003, 05:37
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Originally posted by geeslaka
What is the symbolism of olive branches?
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Triumphant/victory
Victorious athletes got it, but also roman generals during triumphal marches.
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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August 17, 2003, 05:42
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AI checked out, atually the phrygian cap/liberty cap was first used in France by Jacobites and came to the US only in the last years of the 18th century.
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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August 17, 2003, 06:14
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IIRC, the phrygian cap was worn by liberated slaves in ancient Greece.
Curiously enough, the fascio is used in some French Republic's symbols too. For example, the French passport displays a big fascio:
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August 17, 2003, 06:23
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But guess, what, it has a clear fascio
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No, not has... It is a fiasco...  
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August 17, 2003, 10:27
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Originally posted by Spiffor
IIRC, the phrygian cap was worn by liberated slaves in ancient Greece.
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Sure, that was it.
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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August 17, 2003, 11:19
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I thought the red cap has to do with Little Red Riding Hood 
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August 17, 2003, 11:20
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Definitely Santa.
(I don't know)
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August 17, 2003, 11:21
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lol @ your avatar
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August 17, 2003, 11:26
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Woof!
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August 17, 2003, 11:38
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In the eighteenth century, the fasces received a second life, when the young United States and republican France started to use ancient Roman symbols. Both were progressive revolutionary nations that imitated the Roman republican constitution.
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August 17, 2003, 11:43
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The fascio was not invented by the fascists but by the Romans. It was a symbol of power held by the lictors (power to punish and to kill).
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August 17, 2003, 12:18
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American symbols and such can at times be very roman. Take many of its buildings and the names of those, capitol hill for example. Fascism and nazism also found a a lot of inspiration in the roman empire. Teh raised hand for example. The reasons are, however, not the same in most cases. I guess there's a difference between a republic and an empire.
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August 17, 2003, 12:37
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Originally posted by Wernazuma III
Triumphant/victory
Victorious athletes got it, but also roman generals during triumphal marches.
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The olive branches were and still are a symbol of peaceful intents.
Victors and winners were awarded a crown of laurels leafs.
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Statistical anomaly.
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August 17, 2003, 12:41
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Originally posted by Mr. President
"E Pluribus Unum" means . . . something like "Unity in Diversity"?
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out of many, one.
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August 17, 2003, 13:24
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I thought that the fascio was used in Roman times to call the court into order by rapping the handle on the floor three times. Is it not then a symbol of lawful rule?
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August 17, 2003, 13:25
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people get all *****y when some horrible group of people steal a historic symbol and use it as their own. case in point the swastika.
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August 17, 2003, 13:48
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A-hah! Jsut what I always suspected! The US are part of the world fascist alliance together with the Swedish police.
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August 17, 2003, 14:01
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Sweden? Blech!
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August 17, 2003, 17:09
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by the way, what's up with the masonic symbols, eg the pyramid and the eye on the dollar bills? 
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August 17, 2003, 17:09
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by the way, what's up with the masonic symbols, eg the pyramid and the eye on the dollar bills?
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August 18, 2003, 02:29
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I guess those were pretty fashionable at that time too. The French revolution used them as well 
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August 18, 2003, 16:05
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Originally posted by DAVOUT
Victors and winners were awarded a crown of laurels leafs.
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again. What's happening to me these days? Must be the heat. Not the only stupid thing I told in the last couple of days...
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"The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
"Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.
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