September 12, 2003, 01:57
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MSN - Foreign Faction Fact Finding
Volatire says:
it was almost too clear that they had a) met
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b) traded tech
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and c) even pacted
Volatire says:
the speculations about their deteriration of relations could not have been gained from the game
John says:
oh the exact thing you told corellian
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was that they had met and traded?
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or they had pacted?
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they could be misleading us
Volatire says:
essentialy
John says:
like pretending they have pacted with the pirates
Volatire says:
i said that they have met and traded tech since that's the only thing that accounted for the growth in the powergraphs of both factions
Volatire says:
then i added it was also likely that they may be pacted
Volatire says:
i said nothing more
John says:
I mean the cycon just have too many leaks on what's happening in their game inside their public posts
Volatire says:
It's too elaborate of a scheme if they wanted to fool us
John says:
it may be they've been pretending al along
Volatire says:
I may well be underestimating the CyCon here
Volatire says:
but it just don't seem like them
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we should probably consider it
Volatire says:
of course
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we must take all possibilities into account
John says:
maybe we should leak an university and hive alliance
Volatire says:
hmm
John says:
so post that bit into the private forum I suppose
Volatire says:
that may well not be a bad idea
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the university would deny it
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and everyone would think they are lying
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lol
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but then again
John says:
you see if everyone just laughs it off
Volatire says:
do we really want to be seen as allies with the university/
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?
John says:
then we would know the pirates are pacted
John says:
with the university
Volatire says:
ah
Volatire says:
i see where you're going
Volatire says:
it's an imprefect method of testing the theory but it's the best we have
John says:
so like post a pretend email to archaic
Volatire says:
the other alternative being to ask them directly
John says:
in the public forums
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then delete it quickly
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this time changing the title
Volatire says:
lol
John says:
but give enough time that the cycon can nab it
Volatire says:
yes indeed
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it may be worth a shot
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but the cycon may object
John says:
so have university negotiations
Volatire says:
they will think it is another one of our plots to gather information before we meet in-game, they believe it to be agianst the rules
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and have inside the email stuff about co-ordinating defences
John says:
oh
Volatire says:
I can see how it could be construed as against the rules
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but the fact remains that we have met the pirates
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and hence we can via the pirates gather info on the other human factions they have met
John says:
heh
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so technicaly the cycon-pirate thing was perfectly legal
John says:
maybe the cycon don't know yet
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or maybe the pirates do not have a pact with the uni
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who knows
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but we will know soon enough
John says:
yeah but how did the cycon and pirates get IA IB IE all within 2 turns
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they could have traded with the uni
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They HAD to have been given them
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they don't need to be pacted
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and the university wouldn't have given them IA
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perhaps one of the AI factions did?
Volatire says:
it's a possibility which we have ignored
John says:
it would be like pirates giving flexibility
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hrmm IA?
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do AI factions beeline?
Volatire says:
you'd have to ask googlie that
John says:
because beelinling humans tend to get the tech first
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also it seems like an conincide
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like the university gets IA
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then pirates and cycon suddenly get IA
Volatire says:
hmm
John says:
I think we're up against a 3 way alliance.
Volatire says:
well to me the most logical explination seems to be that the uni traded IA to the pirates who traded it to the CyCon
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or the CyCon may well have developed it on their own
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but the cycon didn't have IB
Volatire says:
hmm
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that could prose problems if true
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this is what i feared
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this is why i wanted to invade
John says:
then suddenly they have IA IB and IE
Volatire says:
alright
Volatire says:
let us assume the worst case scenareo
Volatire says:
if we are up against a three way alliance
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we need the Drones onside
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and most importantly we need to be able to exicute effective invasion plans in light of pirate dominance of the seas
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if they are allied
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chances are they will not make a move until we have met all the factions
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which means we have time to prepare
John says:
do you think we have enough information to tell the drones that we think it might be a 3 way alliance?
Volatire says:
not just yet
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these are all assumptions
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nothing conclusive
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let us do more digging
John says:
okay
John says:
also I wouldn't want to make it seem like we're pressuring them
John says:
if we go ahead with inconclusive evidence
Volatire says:
indeed
John says:
then it would seem like we're using fear tactics
Volatire says:
true
John says:
okay I'm going to post the foreign faction observations
Volatire says:
alright, and i must be off to bed (bio lab tomorrow in the morning)
Volatire says:
we will converse more tomorrow
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night
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September 12, 2003, 16:02
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This one really made me thinking. PEACE had raised questions about pacting with us. Are they testing us? They refused to give us CC commlink. Of course they are smart to see that they'll meet drones soon, but does the refusing to give us CC commlink means more than that?
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September 13, 2003, 14:45
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do AI factions beeline?
Volatire says: you'd have to ask googlie that
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If their strategy is preset to emphasize Air Power, they will beeline for D:AP If set for naval power, then they go for Doc Init
If they are tweaked to be a builder faction, then they do beeline for IA and the restriction-lifting techs
G.
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September 14, 2003, 02:07
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So because they've asked for gene splicing and HEC it's possible they're going for air power.
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September 14, 2003, 08:07
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I agree.
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