September 16, 2003, 02:38
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Originally posted by The Mad Monk
I guess you'll just have to throw in with us, then. 
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Gladly. Will you abolish the visa regime for us? 
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September 16, 2003, 02:54
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Originally posted by Heresson
So, your neighbours can't do what they want because You don't feel good about it?
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They can. But if we are friends, they should not make us suffer.
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It's Russia that makes problems at the borders. Russian visas on Polish-Russian borders are 6x higher than Polish ones...
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There were no problems (no visas) before you decided to submit to the EU bureaucracy.
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When their problems with imperial ambitions, violating human rights, corruption etc will get smaller.
That's the optimistic version.
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Russians will be treated better than any other EU neighbours anyway.
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These last two observations don't alter the fact that the Russian people will suffer as a result of the expansion.
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September 16, 2003, 03:04
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Russian people only suffer because of your incompetent, corrupted, bully, imperialist, facist leaders. We - your neighbours know what were talking about. There just simply is no deal you guys haven't broke. Why shoul EU allow your mafia, prostitutes and car thieves flow freely to our rich homelands?
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September 16, 2003, 03:15
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Originally posted by laurentius
Russian people only suffer because of your incompetent, corrupted, bully, imperialist, facist leaders. We - your neighbours know what were talking about. There just simply is no deal you guys haven't broke. Why shoul EU allow your mafia, prostitutes and car thieves flow freely to our rich homelands?
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It's not that keeping Russia out saves us from their mafia, prostitutes and (well, along with Polish) car thieves. Germany is full of all sorts of them. The Russian mafia owns half of our capital. May be the whole, but who cares about stynkin' Berlin. Despite this fact, I would gladly see a much better cooperation of the EU with Russia.
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September 16, 2003, 03:19
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Karmen Kass = HOT!
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb ! :doitnow!:
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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September 16, 2003, 03:28
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Russian girls are hot and should be welcomed in. 
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September 16, 2003, 03:29
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Russian girls are hot and should be welcomed in.
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So true.
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September 16, 2003, 03:37
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Great avatar, Sir Ralph  Not that I just noticed it, but I simply didn't have an occasion to tell this to you. 
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September 16, 2003, 03:43
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Originally posted by The Vagabond
Great avatar, Sir Ralph Not that I just noticed it, but I simply didn't have an occasion to tell this to you.
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He was a great guy. A pity that he died so young.
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September 16, 2003, 03:45
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but who is he?
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September 16, 2003, 03:50
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i swear i got the bum deal here. everyone goes on about how fit russian birds are and yet i worked all summer with birds from former soviet bloc countries and none of them were nice, ffs!
oh and we don't want russia, we've got enough economic basket cases already, like germany and france
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September 16, 2003, 03:55
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A Russian friend of mine suggested EU should join Russia as an autonomous oblast 
But I wish Russia all the best and hope that they will join EU eventually 
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September 16, 2003, 03:55
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Well, here I am not advocating for letting us into your "rich homelands" (i.e. a visa-free regime with the whole EU), although this matter can be discussed separately. What I am saying is more narrow in scope: conditions for the Russian people should not get worse as a result of the expansion (although if they get better it would be nice). This means in particular that if we now have a visa-free regime with certain East-European countries, it should stay like this after the expansion. Why the hell should a EU expansion mean a higher degree of isolation for us? After all, this contradicts to the very spirit of the EU. Or you expect us to sit back and fervently applaud the triumph a great international project, unparalleled in history, even if this project means a tighter stanglehold on us? 
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September 16, 2003, 03:56
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He was a great guy. A pity that he died so young.
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Sometimes this is a part of being great.
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September 16, 2003, 04:02
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but who IS he?
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September 16, 2003, 04:06
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I guess they are not going to tell you Ecth
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September 16, 2003, 04:08
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Remember folks, Estonia won't be a member before May of 2004.
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September 16, 2003, 04:12
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Originally posted by Ecthelion
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Vladimir Vysotskiy, a famous Russian bard, poet and actor of somewhat dissident orientation. IIRC, died in 1980 at the age of 40. He was not officially liked by the Soviet authorities, but he was very popular among the people. There were millons of copies of tape-recordings of his songs spread throughout the Soviet Union.
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September 16, 2003, 04:14
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ok.
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September 16, 2003, 08:25
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by The Vagabond
They can. But if we are friends, they should not make us suffer.
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1)After what Russia was doing to every its neighbours for centuries....
2)There's a constant amount of happyness in the world.
We must make someone sadder to become happier
3)It's not about making anyone hurt anyway. How will
exactly Russians suffer? Because they won't be able to
smuggle and cross the border as "ants"? (if someone don't know what an ant is, it's someone who crosses the border with small ammounts of some trading goods...
Do You think Poles over the border are happy? They are not.
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There were no problems (no visas) before you decided to submit to the EU bureaucracy.
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I'm not quite sure about it, in fact. Russian officers are making problems over the border since ever.
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These last two observations don't alter the fact that the Russian people will suffer as a result of the expansion.
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They'd suffer less if we opened the borders completely...
Oh, c-mon. We have no choice.
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September 16, 2003, 08:45
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Since when is it any business of Russia's as to what other countries do with their immigration laws
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September 16, 2003, 08:46
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since it has 10k nukes
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September 16, 2003, 16:33
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If Russia doesn't like it, let them do something about it. They are weak.
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September 16, 2003, 16:47
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Sad, but true.
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September 16, 2003, 17:14
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chegitz and Ben Kenobi = gay
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Just because we don't go for stick figures.
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September 16, 2003, 17:23
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More inertia for CAP. 
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September 16, 2003, 19:07
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Sad, but true.
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Go invade Poland or Czech. Get those 1956 hormones raging.
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September 17, 2003, 01:00
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And the tanks would be of the same make - T-55
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Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb ! :doitnow!:
Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.
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September 17, 2003, 01:00
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September 17, 2003, 03:00
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Why would Heresson invade his own country?
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