November 24, 2003, 11:46
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That's OK with me then.
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November 24, 2003, 11:55
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You should have plenty of space. You have the English across the channel and would be allowed to raze any city they build in the continent, and you have the Cordovan AI to the south, with 2 puny cities. I don't think they will expand too much for you to be a disadvantage.
I have the Danes to my north very close, but they're a human player. The Rus is far to the east and not a danger. If they plopp a city before my nose, I just will raze it, so I get rid of the problem without growing at the AI's expense.
That's what I mean.
What do the other players say to this rule?
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November 24, 2003, 12:27
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So we cannot take AI cities but need to raze them if we want to expand? I don't know my position since I haven't played this scenario but isn't that a bit harsh?
I guess if we all agree to this rule it will be ok but it will also confer an advantage to certain civs due to their position anyway.
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November 24, 2003, 12:40
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AIs are generally a problem in MP games due to their weakness. I remember a game with 4 human players and 3 AIs on a continent. One human player had 2 AIs as neighbors, took their cities in the early game and ended up as the #1 power, having the space reserved for three civs. 2 of the players had the other AI as neighbor and took it, gaining at least half the space for the civs. I had no AIs as neighbor and had to kill one of the human civs to stay halfway competitive. Here one player (with 2 AIs as neighbor, separated by a big jungle) had clearly a huge advantage over the other three. He ended up with half of the continent for himself and had only to build a third of the cities he owned in the end.
This is why I'm generally strongly against AIs in any MP game (well, that and their stupid behavior to whore maps and techs). As I saw, that Anatolia set it up with AIs, my first thought was - I'm out here. But the scenario is fun and it may be worth to make a compromise.
So is it such a problem to be fair towards the other players and to leave the AI corelands where they are, i.e. not to attack them but merely defend, and raze (not take) only cities they build in front of your nose? Since civs are thinned out (no Burgundy, no Poland etc), everyone has plenty of space.
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November 24, 2003, 12:41
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I have no problem with not keeping AI's cities and razing them instead. However this should only apply to AI cities that the AI starts with or founds. If they capture a human players city the human player should be allowed to liberate it.
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November 24, 2003, 12:46
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Originally posted by GhengisFarb
If they capture a human players city the human player should be allowed to liberate it.
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Yes of course. That's what I mean by "defend". We should try to keep the AIs in the game and let their core (what they own at the start, visible in the scenario) untouched.
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November 24, 2003, 14:52
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I make no promise that I won't raze an AI starting city or two. But I won't wipe out much of them. I might even give a few back if their nice about it.
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November 24, 2003, 16:01
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I have sent the turn to SirOsis but it doesn't include Feephi with the Corovans. Are we restarting or not?
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November 24, 2003, 16:19
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I vote yes. And may be Uber KruX joins too.
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November 24, 2003, 16:31
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I won't take the turn. Let's wait for Feephi and Uber.
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November 24, 2003, 18:37
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I never knew that the US military is so desperate to take hundred year old farts like you, Ghengis. Happy Birthday, anyway!  And... that genghis_khan is not your DL, just by accident, of course?  Or is that your grand-grandson?
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November 24, 2003, 20:51
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WTF? genghis_khan has the same birthday as me?
I'm actually 34 today. I wonder if I registered at apoly several years ago and just forgot.............
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November 24, 2003, 22:52
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I was waiting for Uber to say something before I started again. How long should we wait?
Happy birthday Ghengis. What are you doing to celebrate down in the swamps? 
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November 24, 2003, 22:55
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Originally posted by Anatolia
What are you doing to celebrate down in the swamps?
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I had orange gator spice cake with tobasco on top.
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November 24, 2003, 22:57
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Frog legs for dessert?
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November 24, 2003, 23:08
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Originally posted by GhengisFarb
I wonder if I registered at apoly several years ago and just forgot.............
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I registered November 11th, 1999 as yisuro. When the excitement of Civ2 wore off I stopped coming to Apolyton. A couple years later I returned but couldn't remember my password (and maybe the ID at the time) so I registered again as Anatolia. I'm trying to get my ID changed to Masuro (my Korean name) but the administrators won't respond to my requests  Funny, it says yisuro has 0 posts. Maybe they get cancelled after a while?
Am I going to get in trouble for admitting to a DL?
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November 26, 2003, 01:52
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I take it Uber is no longer interested. Shall I start the game again?
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November 26, 2003, 02:53
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yes
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November 26, 2003, 07:01
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Middle Ages, Take 2!
Turn Sent
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November 26, 2003, 13:48
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634AD to Empress Ghengodora. I mean Basileus Ghengos Primos.
You should approach Ming for a name change if you're still interested, Anatolia. I'm sure he will respond.
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November 26, 2003, 14:52
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We could attract Ming to this thread. Just mention no-cd cracks. 
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November 26, 2003, 16:14
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Originally posted by Anatolia
I registered November 11th, 1999 as yisuro. When the excitement of Civ2 wore off I stopped coming to Apolyton. A couple years later I returned but couldn't remember my password (and maybe the ID at the time) so I registered again as Anatolia. I'm trying to get my ID changed to Masuro (my Korean name) but the administrators won't respond to my requests Funny, it says yisuro has 0 posts. Maybe they get cancelled after a while?
Am I going to get in trouble for admitting to a DL?
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I had been trying to reach Ming about a name change all of last week and I received no reply. Then I sent the request to DanQ and the next day it was changed.
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November 26, 2003, 19:13
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Funny, it was DanQ who never responded to me. I'll try Ming.
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November 27, 2003, 11:30
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Originally posted by GhengisFarb
WTF? genghis_khan has the same birthday as me?
I'm actually 34 today. I wonder if I registered at apoly several years ago and just forgot.............
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genghis_khan registered mere 2 weeks before you and stopped posting yet before GhengisFarb was registered. He has a very similar handle, he has the same birthday and even the same age. Looks very suspicious, no?
DL!
DL!
DL!
But on a second thought, let's examine this a bit further, and look up, what the differences are. If we seek genghis_khan in the member list, we see, that he added to Apolytons base of wisdom with only 5 posts, while GenghisFarb ... well ... spammed a lot more. And the main difference is - their language. In this thread are all five of genghis_khan's posts. So unless you are very fluent in Spanish, you are above suspicion 
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November 27, 2003, 19:21
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Originally posted by Masuro
Funny, it was DanQ who never responded to me. I'll try Ming.
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It worked!
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December 1, 2003, 17:48
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
while GenghisFarb ... well ... spammed a lot more.
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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
In this thread are all five of genghis_khan's posts. So unless you are very fluent in Spanish, you are above suspicion[/size]
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 Not only do I have multiple personalities, but one of them is fluent in a foreign language!
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December 1, 2003, 21:48
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Sent to CerberusIV.
He he he. He's going to think I'm replying to a PBEM.........
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December 2, 2003, 15:47
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to SirOsis
No, I'm not confused. One game turn received from GhengisFarb, three others sent to him.
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December 2, 2003, 18:00
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turn sent
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December 2, 2003, 18:08
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Originally posted by CerberusIV
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No, I'm not confused. One game turn received from GhengisFarb, three others sent to him.
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Aak! I don't want it back, and certainly not in triplicate.
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