Thread Tools
Old October 2, 2003, 20:36   #1
ixnay
Civilization II Democracy GamePtWDG Lux InvictaPtWDG Gathering StormInterSite Democracy Game: Apolyton TeamPtWDG2 Cake or Death?C3C IDG: Apolyton TeamApolytoners Hall of FameCivilization IV CreatorsAge of Nations Team
Emperor
 
ixnay's Avatar
 
Local Time: 03:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Dec 1998
Posts: 3,215
Confirmed: Half-Life 2 source code leaked
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/ha...s_6076314.html

Quote:
Gabe Newell confirms that the Valve network was hacked.

Since late yesterday, reports have spread that the source code for Half-Life 2 was leaked and was illicitly posted on the Web. Valve's Gabe Newell has today confirmed in a post on the Half-Life2.net forum that the file that is circulating is indeed the Half-Life 2 source code and said that it was stolen from Valve's network two weeks ago.

Newell summed up the importance of these events with "Well, this sucks," saying that "this has just not been the best couple of days for me or for Valve." He explained that someone gained access to his e-mail and installed keystroke recorders on several Valve computers as a means of stealing passwords. Valve and its Steam service have been the targets of several denial-of-service attacks over the past year, and he said it was unclear if these were related to the recent attacks.

Valve is turning to the gaming community in asking for any information that might lead to those responsible for the denial-of-service attacks or the network infiltration. Newell asked that any possible leads be sent to helpvalve@valvesoftware.com .

Newell didn't comment on whether these events would impact Half-Life 2's release schedule, which was recently pushed back from September 30 to late this year.

By Sam Parker, GameSpot [POSTED: 10/02/03 03:10 PM]
Yikes. Wonder what this will mean for the release schedule of the game. I don't recall there ever being such a high-profile leak like this one in the recent past.
ixnay is offline  
Old October 2, 2003, 20:52   #2
Tis I
Warlord
 
Tis I's Avatar
 
Local Time: 04:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: usa
Posts: 299
what is the significance of a source code anyway? I know it allows one to modify the game but how would it impact an impending release?
__________________
When the stars threw down their spears,
and water'd heaven with their tears,
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
Tis I is offline  
Old October 2, 2003, 21:07   #3
Skanky Burns
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameACDG The Cybernetic ConsciousnessC4DG Team Alpha CentauriansApolytoners Hall of FameACDG3 Spartans
 
Skanky Burns's Avatar
 
Local Time: 20:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Skanky Father
Posts: 16,530
They will have an advantage in cracking any software protection.
__________________
I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).
Skanky Burns is offline  
Old October 2, 2003, 21:28   #4
CygnusZ
Warlord
 
CygnusZ's Avatar
 
Local Time: 09:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 289
Big deal, as far as I'm concerned Halflife single player should have had a free release just for the publicity. Multiplayer is where the action is, and they have an unbeatable copy protection scheme for that.
CygnusZ is offline  
Old October 2, 2003, 21:52   #5
MattH
King
 
MattH's Avatar
 
Local Time: 09:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Go sneer at that cow creamer!
Posts: 1,305
Quote:
Originally posted by Tis I
what is the significance of a source code anyway? I know it allows one to modify the game but how would it impact an impending release?
It's the code that runs the actual game- i.e. Artificial Intelligence, graphics modeling, network interfacing etc. It's a lot of (usually) secret material made from 100's of hours of work, now free for anyone to copy/use for their own programs or finding ways to compromise multiplayer (like that MP hole in UT2k3)
__________________
cIV list: cheats
Now watch this drive!
MattH is offline  
Old October 2, 2003, 23:40   #6
Asher
Apolytoners Hall of Fame
President of the OT
 
Asher's Avatar
 
Local Time: 03:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 40,843
Re: Confirmed: Half-Life 2 source code leaked
Quote:
Originally posted by ixnay
Yikes. Wonder what this will mean for the release schedule of the game. I don't recall there ever being such a high-profile leak like this one in the recent past.
The Windows 2000 source was stolen a few years ago, nothing ever came from it.
__________________
"I'll never doubt you again when it comes to hockey, [Prince] Asher." - Guynemer
Asher is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 01:32   #7
alva
Civilization III PBEMPtWDG2 Cake or Death?PtWDG Gathering StormInterSite Democracy Game: Apolyton TeamC3C IDG: Apolyton TeamC4DG Gathering Storm
Deity
 
alva's Avatar
 
Local Time: 11:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Republic of Flanders
Posts: 10,747
Asher, you are leaving a big window of opportunity hee to make a (lame) MS comment here
__________________
#There’s a city in my mind
Come along and take that ride
And it’s all right, baby, it’s all right #
alva is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 04:27   #8
Urban Ranger
NationStatesApolyton Storywriters' GuildNever Ending Stories
Deity
 
Urban Ranger's Avatar
 
Local Time: 17:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 1999
Location: The City State of Noosphere, CPA special envoy
Posts: 14,606
Quote:
Originally posted by CygnusZ
Big deal, as far as I'm concerned Halflife single player should have had a free release just for the publicity. Multiplayer is where the action is, and they have an unbeatable copy protection scheme for that.
There is no such thing as an unbeatable copy protection scheme.
__________________
(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
(")_(") "Starting the fire from within."
Urban Ranger is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 04:33   #9
pg
Prince
 
pg's Avatar
 
Local Time: 04:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 823
Quote:
Originally posted by CygnusZ
Big deal, as far as I'm concerned Halflife single player should have had a free release just for the publicity. Multiplayer is where the action is, and they have an unbeatable copy protection scheme for that.
er, the biggest problem to result is most likely cheats for multiplayer. if you think cheating in half life is bad i imagine hl 2 will now be much worse. unless you were being sarcastic...
__________________
Eschewing obfuscation and transcending conformity since 1982. Embrace the flux.
pg is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 05:33   #10
DrSpike
Civilization IV: MultiplayerApolyton University
Deity
 
DrSpike's Avatar
 
Local Time: 10:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Enthusiastic member of Apolyton
Posts: 30,342
Hope the release doesn't get pushed back too far.
DrSpike is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 05:38   #11
Zealot
King
 
Zealot's Avatar
 
Local Time: 10:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: London, UK
Posts: 1,267
Re: Re: Confirmed: Half-Life 2 source code leaked
Quote:
Originally posted by Asher

The Windows 2000 source was stolen a few years ago, nothing ever came from it.
Making a clone of a game is actually profitable, while cloning Windows would just be saying "Hey, we're the guys who stole your source-code! Come and sue us HARD!"
__________________
"BANANA POWAAAAH!!! (exclamation Zopperoni style)" - Mercator, in the OT 'What fruit are you?' thread
Join the Civ2 Democratic Game! We have a banana option in every poll just for you to vote for!
Many thanks to Zealot for wasting his time on the jobs section at Gamasutra - MarkG in the article SMAC2 IN FULL 3D? http://apolyton.net/misc/
Always thought settlers looked like Viking helmets. Took me a while to spot they were supposed to be wagons. - The pirate about Settlers in Civ 1
Zealot is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 05:56   #12
Drake Tungsten
Deity
 
Drake Tungsten's Avatar
 
Local Time: 05:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: In the closet...
Posts: 10,604
Besides, who would want to clone Windows?
__________________
KH FOR OWNER!
ASHER FOR CEO!!
GUYNEMER FOR OT MOD!!!
Drake Tungsten is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 05:59   #13
August Borms
Prince
 
August Borms's Avatar
 
Local Time: 10:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Antwerpen
Posts: 398
Attached Thumbnails:
Click image for larger version

Name:	thanks_microsoft.jpg
Views:	154
Size:	31.6 KB
ID:	54388  
__________________
In een hoerekotje aan den overkant emmekik mijn bloem verloren,
In een hoerekotje aan den overkant bennekik mijn bloemeke kwijt
August Borms is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 06:06   #14
DrSpike
Civilization IV: MultiplayerApolyton University
Deity
 
DrSpike's Avatar
 
Local Time: 10:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Enthusiastic member of Apolyton
Posts: 30,342


Cute.
DrSpike is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 06:40   #15
Zealot
King
 
Zealot's Avatar
 
Local Time: 10:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: London, UK
Posts: 1,267
Quote:
Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Besides, who would want to clone Windows?
Sun?
__________________
"BANANA POWAAAAH!!! (exclamation Zopperoni style)" - Mercator, in the OT 'What fruit are you?' thread
Join the Civ2 Democratic Game! We have a banana option in every poll just for you to vote for!
Many thanks to Zealot for wasting his time on the jobs section at Gamasutra - MarkG in the article SMAC2 IN FULL 3D? http://apolyton.net/misc/
Always thought settlers looked like Viking helmets. Took me a while to spot they were supposed to be wagons. - The pirate about Settlers in Civ 1
Zealot is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 12:42   #16
lord of the mark
Deity
 
lord of the mark's Avatar
 
Local Time: 05:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Virginia
Posts: 11,160
BBC said this:


"The team at Valve has five years working on Half-Life 2, with an average of 30 people working on the title at any one time"

150 man years to make a friggin game?????? Is this possible?
__________________
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
lord of the mark is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 12:54   #17
Zealot
King
 
Zealot's Avatar
 
Local Time: 10:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: London, UK
Posts: 1,267
Didn't you ever hear that making top-notch games is consuming budgets like Hollywood movies budgets?
Games are getting more and more complex, and the people competent to make them need more and more time to keep up with new technologies due to this.
__________________
"BANANA POWAAAAH!!! (exclamation Zopperoni style)" - Mercator, in the OT 'What fruit are you?' thread
Join the Civ2 Democratic Game! We have a banana option in every poll just for you to vote for!
Many thanks to Zealot for wasting his time on the jobs section at Gamasutra - MarkG in the article SMAC2 IN FULL 3D? http://apolyton.net/misc/
Always thought settlers looked like Viking helmets. Took me a while to spot they were supposed to be wagons. - The pirate about Settlers in Civ 1
Zealot is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 13:09   #18
lord of the mark
Deity
 
lord of the mark's Avatar
 
Local Time: 05:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Virginia
Posts: 11,160
Quote:
Originally posted by Zealot
Didn't you ever hear that making top-notch games is consuming budgets like Hollywood movies budgets?
Games are getting more and more complex, and the people competent to make them need more and more time to keep up with new technologies due to this.
i guess this isnt the time for snarky remarks about my favorite genres and their superiority to FPS's, now is it?
__________________
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
lord of the mark is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 13:21   #19
Mahdimael
Prince
 
Mahdimael's Avatar
 
Local Time: 09:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Sandy Eigo, CA, USA
Posts: 347
Single player wouldn't be too affected- however, multiplayer games could be hacked, and due to the soure code, they could circumvent any copy-protection or anti-cheating code. They could also hack the code to spread malicious viruses, or to steal information.
__________________
----
"I never let my schooling get in the way of my education" -Mark Twain
Mahdimael is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 13:33   #20
DrSpike
Civilization IV: MultiplayerApolyton University
Deity
 
DrSpike's Avatar
 
Local Time: 10:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Enthusiastic member of Apolyton
Posts: 30,342
Quote:
Originally posted by lord of the mark
BBC said this:


"The team at Valve has five years working on Half-Life 2, with an average of 30 people working on the title at any one time"

150 man years to make a friggin game?????? Is this possible?
The game will undoubtedly look great (if the demo is anything to go by), but I hope that time is also spent on longevity. There have been too many great but short games in recent years IMO.
DrSpike is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 13:58   #21
geeslaka
Prince
 
geeslaka's Avatar
 
Local Time: 02:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: of the purple hand
Posts: 585
Quote:
The Windows 2000 source was stolen a few years ago, nothing ever came from it.
I've always wondered where Microsoft got Win2k.
__________________
American by birth, smarter than the average tropical fruit by the grace of Me. -me
I try not to break the rules but merely to test their elasticity. -- Bill Veeck | Don't listed to the Linux Satanist, people. - St. Leo | If patching security holes was the top priority of any of us(no matter the OS), we'd do nothing else. - Me, in a tired and accidental attempt to draw fire from all three sides.
Posted with Mozilla Firebird running under Sawfish on a Slackware Linux install.:p
XGalaga.
geeslaka is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 14:46   #22
MattH
King
 
MattH's Avatar
 
Local Time: 09:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Go sneer at that cow creamer!
Posts: 1,305
Quote:
Originally posted by lord of the mark
BBC said this:


"The team at Valve has five years working on Half-Life 2, with an average of 30 people working on the title at any one time"

150 man years to make a friggin game?????? Is this possible?
Well, I assume the "at any time" doesn't mean any time of the day... Its not like they're pulling 24/7 shifts on this at least, I don't think so...
__________________
cIV list: cheats
Now watch this drive!
MattH is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 14:48   #23
lord of the mark
Deity
 
lord of the mark's Avatar
 
Local Time: 05:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Virginia
Posts: 11,160
Quote:
Originally posted by MattH


Well, I assume the "at any time" doesn't mean any time of the day... Its not like they're pulling 24/7 shifts on this at least, I don't think so...
i assume it means 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year. Thats a man year here in the USA. If they were working 24/7 it would be alot more than 150 man years.
__________________
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
lord of the mark is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 15:02   #24
geeslaka
Prince
 
geeslaka's Avatar
 
Local Time: 02:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: of the purple hand
Posts: 585
I believe the 150 man years figure. I've been working on xgalaga recently and it's a small project but it still swallows tons of my time.

Edit: Been fooling around on BCD too much, accidentally mixed the link tag formats.
__________________
American by birth, smarter than the average tropical fruit by the grace of Me. -me
I try not to break the rules but merely to test their elasticity. -- Bill Veeck | Don't listed to the Linux Satanist, people. - St. Leo | If patching security holes was the top priority of any of us(no matter the OS), we'd do nothing else. - Me, in a tired and accidental attempt to draw fire from all three sides.
Posted with Mozilla Firebird running under Sawfish on a Slackware Linux install.:p
XGalaga.

Last edited by geeslaka; October 3, 2003 at 15:26.
geeslaka is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 15:07   #25
lord of the mark
Deity
 
lord of the mark's Avatar
 
Local Time: 05:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Virginia
Posts: 11,160
Quote:
Originally posted by geeslaka
I believe the 150 man years figure. I've been working on [link url=http://crystae.homeip.net/~xathien/drawings/xgal.bz2]xgalaga[/url] recently and it's a small project but it still swallows tons of my time.
Rise of Nations was done in about 2 years, with a staff of what? Less than 30, ISTR. So less than 60 man years.
__________________
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
lord of the mark is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 15:34   #26
Asmodean
Civilization III Democracy GameThe Courts of Candle'Bre
Emperor
 
Asmodean's Avatar
 
Local Time: 11:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Aarhus, Denmark
Posts: 3,618
Quote:
Originally posted by lord of the mark


i assume it means 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year. Thats a man year here in the USA. If they were working 24/7 it would be alot more than 150 man years.
So your average american working dude only has two weeks off in a year??

Asmodean
__________________
Im not sure what Baruk Khazad is , but if they speak Judeo-Dwarvish, that would be "blessed are the dwarves" - lord of the mark
Asmodean is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 20:17   #27
alva
Civilization III PBEMPtWDG2 Cake or Death?PtWDG Gathering StormInterSite Democracy Game: Apolyton TeamC3C IDG: Apolyton TeamC4DG Gathering Storm
Deity
 
alva's Avatar
 
Local Time: 11:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Republic of Flanders
Posts: 10,747
Far less then what europeans have in general anyway.
That's why their bank holidays are such a big deal compared to us
__________________
#There’s a city in my mind
Come along and take that ride
And it’s all right, baby, it’s all right #
alva is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 20:25   #28
CygnusZ
Warlord
 
CygnusZ's Avatar
 
Local Time: 09:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 289
Quote:
Originally posted by pg


er, the biggest problem to result is most likely cheats for multiplayer. if you think cheating in half life is bad i imagine hl 2 will now be much worse. unless you were being sarcastic...
Two points:

1) No copy protection scheme is unbeatable, but the current system in Half-life is annoying enough that most people will just pay the $50 to not have to deal with having to find a valid key.

2) If you want MODs, you need to have the source open. Once that happens, you'll get cheaters anyway. Besides, while it's a problem in Counterstrike, I never noticed it being a problem is less popular MODs.
CygnusZ is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 21:06   #29
vovan
Apolyton UniversityCivilization IV CreatorsSporeApolyton Storywriters' GuildC3CDG Blood Oath HordeC4DG The Horde
Emperor
 
vovan's Avatar
 
Local Time: 03:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 5,725


Hope the moron that did it gets his ass nailed.
__________________
XBox Live: VovanSim
xbox.com (login required)
Halo 3 Service Record (I fail at FPS...)
Spore page
vovan is offline  
Old October 3, 2003, 21:11   #30
Zopperoni
Age of Nations TeamApolyCon 06 Participants
Emperor
 
Zopperoni's Avatar
 
Local Time: 11:45
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 5,045
Can they speed up the development of the new Duke Nukem now by having it run on the HL2 engine?
__________________
Blog: www.kennethlim.net // Twitter: @kennethlim
Zopperoni is offline  
 

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:45.


Design by Vjacheslav Trushkin, color scheme by ColorizeIt!.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Apolyton Civilization Site | Copyright © The Apolyton Team