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Old October 11, 2003, 10:51   #31
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1) Europa Universalis 2
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I wont add any of those before you fix this...

As far as I know EU2 is RTS, so it goes under RTS, leaving 2 games in "Strategy" (TBS?) and 4 in RTS...
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Strategy/TB

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Is this Imperialism 1 or 2?

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Adventure

1. The Longest Journey (one of the best games ever!)
2. Syberia -ditto
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Syberia -ditto? Is ditto also part of the name?
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2) NHL 200x
3) Fifa 200x
Set which year..!




Btw, an add for my votes:

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year doesn´t really matter for me, since they are too similar. but if you insist, 2002 are the last ones I played, and each year they become better, so I go with 2002.
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I wont add any of those before you fix this...

As far as I know EU2 is RTS, so it goes under RTS, leaving 2 games in "Strategy" (TBS?) and 4 in RTS...
Oh, come on. Can't I be a fundamentalist and claim that EU2 is merely real-time strategy and not RTS at all? Or will that screw up everyone else?
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Is this Imperialism 1 or 2?
Both- they're both great games

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Syberia -ditto? Is ditto also part of the name?
LOL the game's name is Syberia

I meant the game's another must-have for every gaming player
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Oh, come on. Can't I be a fundamentalist and claim that EU2 is merely real-time strategy and not RTS at all? Or will that screw up everyone else?
Well... I have to set the limit somewhere, otherwise we'd end up having 1000+ different genres...

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Both- they're both great games
But which one will get second place, and which one will get third place... and you know by that Civ3 wont be calculated

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LOL the game's name is Syberia

I meant the game's another must-have for every gaming player

Ahhh... that's how it was ment
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2D fighting is the same as 3D fighting, so I wont count your fighting games before you edit it...
ewww... as long as you consider TBS same genre as RTS, I could understand that.... but yuck.
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umm, I really don't play any other games besides TBS and RPG's
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ewww... as long as you consider TBS same genre as RTS, I could understand that.... but yuck.
There's no difference in gameplay if it's 3D or not... it only changes the graphics...
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Well... I have to set the limit somewhere, otherwise we'd end up having 1000+ different genres...
so why not just put strategy - why divide into RTS and TBS at all (dont take it personally - i know youre not responsible for this arbitrary distinction - just taking issue generally with the distinction)

The response would be that gameplay is dramatically different for TBS and RTS. Well if gameplay is the distinction, does EU play more like Civ or like warcraft? (in terms of pacing, etc, not subject matter)
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2) Total Annihilation
3) Kohan

Shooter:
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2) Doom
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EU disappeared from your list. Making a point?
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The response would be that gameplay is dramatically different for TBS and RTS. Well if gameplay is the distinction, does EU play more like Civ or like warcraft? (in terms of pacing, etc, not subject matter)
Since I've never played EU, I can't answer that question!

...and Agathon who was the first one to include EU, put it under RTS...
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Which of the Civ games are you reffering to?

And you do realize Enemy Territory wont be calculated (When I do the calculations tomorow..?
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There's no difference in gameplay if it's 3D or not... it only changes the graphics...
then you dont hit the arcades as often enough to play a decent game of mvc2/tekken etc.

how does having real time and turn based affect the gameplay of strategy games?
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The response would be that gameplay is dramatically different for TBS and RTS. Well if gameplay is the distinction, does EU play more like Civ or like warcraft? (in terms of pacing, etc, not subject matter)
Eu is technically RTS, however it plays like TBS, due to constant pausing, and the ability to speed up and slow it down to the pace that suits you.

It is closer to Civ than Warcraft, as far as the feel of the game.

I think it should go into TBS.


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And RoN is also played more with the use of pause, but it's still an RTS game because the "standard" way of playing it is without the pauses... they only included the pause function to make us TBS players happy




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then you dont hit the arcades as often enough to play a decent game of mvc2/tekken etc.

I've played my share of Tekken (2 & 3) and old 2D fighters like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, and as far as I see, the only difference they make in gameplay is the difference in the time they where created (Kinda like the difference between Civ1 and Civ2)

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how does having real time and turn based affect the gameplay of strategy games?
In TBS games you tend to do a lot more thinking than in RTS games... and with this, the game also becomes much more deeper
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I've played my share of Tekken (2 & 3) and old 2D fighters like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, and as far as I see, the only difference they make in gameplay is the difference in the time they where created (Kinda like the difference between Civ1 and Civ2)
They should be in seperate catagories, but seeing as theyll be only a few votes for either genre they may aswell be lumped together.
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You mean SMG/SMA is two different games?
SMA was released with some actual changes to the engine, not just additional scenarios, so I guess technically its considered a new game. My impression is that most successor games change a whole lot more than SMA did from SMG. Its customary in the wargames biz to release essentially the same engine modded for a different battle, and price it as a new game. This is known affectionately as the John Tiller model. Thats cause the hobby has become so small its almost impossible for a developer (other than Norm Koger ) to make money otherwise . Of course SMA had the name "Sid Meier" on it and so was able to command sales wargames rarely get. So its seems a bit unreasonable for Firaxis to have have released what was really an x-pack at new game prices . Of course Firaxis was just getting started then, so i suppose they felt they could justify the fleecing. (not that i can complain, since i bought the 2 games together for $10 US as shovelware ) I tend to think of them as one game, and call it SMG/SMA, or just SMG.


By the way, this is one reason wargames need a seperate category. They follow a different business model from mainstream strategy games, and so present unique issues.
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Ok, in the next update of the votes, you'll see it mentioned as "Sid Meyers Gettysburg"
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I've played my share of Tekken (2 & 3) and old 2D fighters like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, and as far as I see, the only difference they make in gameplay is the difference in the time they where created (Kinda like the difference between Civ1 and Civ2)
im sorry but if you think that ability to sidestep in 3d games isnt a big difference, then you're defintely a a fighting game scrub.
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