Q. Tarrantino's "Kill Bill"- Good or Stinker? - Page 4

Whaleboy · October 20, 2003, 16:18

Sheer brilliance. One problem is how she was able to get away with carrying that sword on the plane, but hey, every good film needs its flaw.

JohnT · October 20, 2003, 16:24

A lot of the "flaws" are intentionally left in the movie to do two things:

1. To set it up that we aren't in the "real world." Hence, not only did the Bride have a sword on the plane, so did everybody else.
2. To pay hommage to Tarantino's beloved exploitation movies, including skipped tracks (heard a couple of times during the movie) and plot inconsistancies you can drive a truck through. Nevermind her going to Japan and back, how did she leave her hospital room a charnel house with two dead bodies and a missing coma victim, and yet nobody bothered to check the victims car, especially when they figured out Buck's keys were missing (as they would've done within 5 minutes of discovering the body)?

Whaleboy · October 20, 2003, 16:30

The part where she takes down all those people before killing O-Ren, think... Mr Aaaandersooon

Drogue · October 20, 2003, 16:33

I agree with the truck, but a minor point IMHO. The 4 years it is easy that she could have seen a watch, or something with the date on that we didn't see.

I loved the fight scenes, and they we're hardly that long. I'm not a big fan of long fight scenes, but I loved the B&W camera action, and the way it was shot. And Uma Thurman was fantastic in them.

JohnT · October 20, 2003, 16:47

Actually, she knew about the four years from reading her palm (life line and all that.)

Drogue · October 20, 2003, 16:58

Ah yes, I remember that. Although would palm readings be the same if she was comatose?

Dis · October 20, 2003, 19:56

This movie didn't have enough blood in it.

Why do movies insist on having violent combat yet show now blood in order to get a PG-13 rating? Lord of the Rings was like this. This film should have more blood to be more realistic.

St Leo · October 20, 2003, 20:03

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I don't understand what could be atheistic in the film?

All my reviews have the same set of ratings The default value for atheism and technophilia is 8. It's very easy to lose points. They may be biased slightly by my overall impression.

Anyways, what's not atheistic about the movie?

Dis · October 20, 2003, 20:12

okay I just got back from seeing it. Now for my "real review"

Slick stylistic fantasy film is what I will call it. I cannot call it anything else than fantasy. Not even a note of realism in the entire film. This has more fantasy than Lord of the Rings. Why they even bothered to try to pretend to be realistic when her legs were immobile was beyond me. Why were her arms as strong as ever? They should have just played like the rest of the movie and gave her magical powers. Carrying swords on airplanes. Flying. Superhuman strength. What is she?- a superhero?

But the movie was slick. And some of the still shots were brilliant. If this were a flat painting, this movie would have hundreds of brilliant canvases. But the problem is this is a film. And it is supposed to have a story and characters. This movie did have characters, I'll give you that. But there was little or no background information aside from silly standard action backgrounds (as in the anime of the Japanese woman). And the anime? WTF was that? Get that crap off my movie screen!

And could there be any more blood in this movie? This movie alone will be responsible for hundreds of deaths accross the united states. God knows how many kids will kill themselves playing with a ball and chain. Hell, after walking out of the movie, I felt like going to a pawn shop, buying a sword, and hacking people up. It looked so cool. This is irresponsible film making at it's best (or worst). Seriously, there is something wrong with americans to crave this kind of violence.

why all violence and no sex? Well there was sex in a way. Very perverted sex. Rape, paedophilia, and just general hatred towards one man for wanting to have sex with a woman. There is something strange in Quentin Tarantino with regards to sex.

But there were things I liked. I did like the sword play. Hey, I love role playing games, so you know I like swords. I was happy to see that, and not the standard unarmed combat. I'm very tired of unarmed combat in movies. So I did love the samuri swords. Were they katanas? And like I said before, in each scene there is at least one picture that just looks amazing. It would look amazing as a painting, or as photography. But it lacks a story and proper character devolopment.

To sum it up, I kind of liked it and hated it at the same time. It is easily his worst film though.

One thumbs down on a scale of 4 thumbs up to 4 thumbs down.

Dis · October 20, 2003, 20:12

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Originally posted by Drogue
I don't understand what could be atheistic in the film?

All my reviews have the same set of ratings The default value for atheism and technophilia is 8. It's very easy to lose points. They may be biased slightly by my overall impression.

Anyways, what's not atheistic about the movie?

did you not hear all the talk about god?

Drogue · October 20, 2003, 20:17

I mean, it didn't mention religion or anti-religion, how can it be atheistic? To be atheistic, it must have some anti-God message, yet I saw no direct referances to God.

Drogue · October 20, 2003, 20:21

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Were they katanas?

I'm pretty sure yes. They were too big to be anything else. Looked much like some Katanas in the British Museam I've seen.

St Leo · October 20, 2003, 20:28

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did you not hear all the talk about god?

Nah, I missed that part. Whatever. It obviously didn't offend my sensibility.

I did notice the cathedral in Once Upon a Time in Mexico and the cross tattoo on the protagonist in Rundown and penalized those accordingly.

I should probably rename the category to "secular".

Dis · October 20, 2003, 20:39

Most of the god-talk was in Japanese. So it was all subtitled.

They talked about not even let god stand in the way of revenge.

And later they talked about cutting god or something like that.

And someone had a cross around their neck- I can't remember who exactly.

Dis · October 20, 2003, 21:34

I think I'll review the previews as well

. damn previews were 10 minutes long.

scary movie 3 previews were pretty good. I like the crop circles that say attack here with an arrow pointed to the house

The problem with previews such as these, is they show all the good jokes. Often times you see all the jokes in the previews and there is nothing new in the movie. Leslie Nielson punching that guy with the funny voice was funny as well.

The Jerry Stiller movie with Jenifer Aniston movie looked pretty good. Though some of the gags fall flat. Nice finish with his face sliding alongside a shirtless fat guys chest

The alamo movie looked so-so. It showed a nice (probably computer generated) overhead scene of the entire battle. That looked impressive. But the other previews weren't very good. I'm curious how they will portray the mexicans in this movie though.

Some other preview for a movie with Ed Harris, Nicole Kidman, and that other old dude. This movie looks boring.

st_swithin · October 20, 2003, 21:50

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I think I'll review the previews as well

. damn previews were 10 minutes long.

scary movie 3 previews were pretty good. I like the crop circles that say attack here with an arrow pointed to the house

The problem with previews such as these, is they show all the good jokes. Often times you see all the jokes in the previews and there is nothing new in the movie. Leslie Nielson punching that guy with the funny voice was funny as well.

I think I want to see that one. It looks pretty good.

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The Jerry Stiller movie with Jenifer Aniston movie looked pretty good. Though some of the gags fall flat. Nice finish with his face sliding alongside a shirtless fat guys chest

That's BEN Stiller - Jerry's his dad. The hairy chest face slide was pretty funny.

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The alamo movie looked so-so. It showed a nice (probably computer generated) overhead scene of the entire battle. That looked impressive. But the other previews weren't very good. I'm curious how they will portray the mexicans in this movie though.

And they used the music from Gladiator. Blah.

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Some other preview for a movie with Ed Harris, Nicole Kidman, and that other old dude. This movie looks boring.

It's a little disturbing to see Anthony Hopkins getting it on with anyone half his age.

And now for my 0.02 on Kill Bill:

I WANT MY 2HRS OF WASTED LIFE AND MY $6 BACK.

That is all.

St Leo · October 20, 2003, 22:17

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Originally posted by Dissident
Most of the god-talk was in Japanese. So it was all subtitled.

Oh, the sword sequence.

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They talked about not even let god stand in the way of revenge.

And later they talked about cutting god or something like that.

I have nothing against non-proselytizing metaphor.

Static Universe · October 21, 2003, 08:42

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There is something strange in Quentin Tarantino with regards to sex.

He also has a major foot fetish. Notice how all the major women in the film had close-ups of their feet?

Static Universe · October 21, 2003, 08:46

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The Jerry Stiller movie with Jenifer Aniston movie looked pretty good. Though some of the gags fall flat. Nice finish with his face sliding alongside a shirtless fat guys chest

This sounds like a much funnier movie.

JohnT · October 21, 2003, 09:02

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The Jerry Stiller movie with Jenifer Aniston movie looked pretty good. Though some of the gags fall flat. Nice finish with his face sliding alongside a shirtless fat guys chest

Easily the most pathetic and worthless of the previews I saw... Is Ben Stiller's career so moribund that he has to do a second rate remake of his most popular movie (which itself sucked - it wasn't even good sophomore humor)?

JohnT · October 21, 2003, 09:06

The best preview that I saw was Russell Crowe's new movie, the one where he plays some sort of 18th/19th century sailing ship captain. I have no knowledge about the movie other than what I saw (I can't even remember the title), but the trailer was exceptionally well done.

DinoDoc · October 21, 2003, 10:26

JohnT: IIRC, the name of the movie was Master & Commander.

Verres · October 21, 2003, 17:43

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He also has a major foot fetish. Notice how all the major women in the film had close-ups of their feet?

I think that was kind of the point? Y'know, giving it some kind of 'artistic' appeal? I have to say I thought it was quite an effective technique, first crunching over breakfast cereal, then broken glass, then snow etc etc....not as good as the fight scenes though

st_swithin · October 21, 2003, 17:53

I thought Ben Stiller's best movie was Zoolander...