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Interesting...
So why are iPods some of the most popular MP3 players? Don't they hold a rather large share of the personal digital music player market?
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Because they're cool.
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October 22, 2003, 15:28
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Interesting...
So why are iPods some of the most popular MP3 players? Don't they hold a rather large share of the personal digital music player market?
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Because they appeal to Mac people and trendy tw*ts. 
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Same as what you can do with FairPlay.
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October 22, 2003, 17:55
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Apple updated itunes to 4.1.1 today in response to complaints that it caused problems for some Win2K users (a software conflict with old CDE authoring software).
That's a nice quick response.
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October 22, 2003, 18:35
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That's a nice quick response.
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Yeah, unlike MS's slow responses to fix Windows security bugs. 
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October 22, 2003, 19:14
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Yeah, unlike MS's slow responses to fix Windows security bugs.
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Windows is so ****ed that the fixes create yet more problems.
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October 22, 2003, 22:56
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Yeah, unlike MS's slow responses to fix Windows security bugs.
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Last time I checked upgrading WMP didn't BSOD all Win2K systems on install.
Finding and patching bugs that given fifty specific conditions under certain environments in a OS with 40M lines of code is a helluva lot more complex than a simple music playing program crashing an entire major OS distribution on install.
It's a prime example of Apple having absolutely crap beta testing techniques.
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October 23, 2003, 21:27
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cause they appeal to Mac people and trendy tw*ts.
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Ah, but you can't deny it.
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Same as what you can do with FairPlay
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I'm not familiar with FairPlay, can you enlighten?
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It's a prime example of Apple having absolutely crap beta testing techniques.
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And how many companies do like what just happened with Apple to patch some game that the bug should have been caught in beta?
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October 23, 2003, 21:33
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Ah, but you can't deny it.
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Can't deny what? iPods appeal to A&F, Diesel-jeans type people, and Mac heads. It's obvious.
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I'm not familiar with FairPlay, can you enlighten?
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You can restrict what computers can play them, for how long they can be played, how many times they can be played, how many times they can be burned, how many times you can transfer them to another computer or device, etc.
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And how many companies do like what just happened with Apple to patch some game that the bug should have been caught in beta?
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Companies that do that obviously have crap beta testing techniques, as well.
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October 23, 2003, 21:41
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<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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October 23, 2003, 21:48
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Absolutely. I see them all the time on campus, it's a generalization that has never failed me.
MP3 players are rather expensive by most people's tastes, and Apple's MP3 player is the most expensive and also has the worst battery life and smallest amount of features. But it is chic. Hence, the people who buy style over substance are more apt to buy the iPod, hence the A&F/Diesel Jeans crowd and Mac users.
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October 23, 2003, 21:57
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<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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October 23, 2003, 22:04
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I'm sorry, what does that have to do with anything seeing as it hasn't happened yet?
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October 23, 2003, 22:08
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I'm sorry, what does that have to do with anything seeing as it hasn't happened yet?
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fallacy
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"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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October 23, 2003, 22:10
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What is false?
Just because Jobs says he'd love to have a $100 player but "doesn't know how" to make it, doesn't say anything about the current market situation.
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October 23, 2003, 22:15
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Steve Jobs: We’re working on the next step.
If anyone can figure it out, it's Apple.
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<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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October 23, 2003, 22:18
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Of course they're working on it. Why wouldn't they be?
But what does that have to do with today's market condition?
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October 23, 2003, 22:24
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Of course they're working on it. Why wouldn't they be?
But what does that have to do with today's market condition?
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C'mon Asher. I'm not that dumb. But perhaps you are. 
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<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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October 23, 2003, 22:28
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That was both lame and sad on so many levels.
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No, actually it's the other way around.
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<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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October 23, 2003, 22:32
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Sad and lame? Sure, that works for me. 
So assume I'm a dumbass, tell me about Jobs' desire to eventually build a $100 iPod relating to today's market condition.
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October 23, 2003, 22:36
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Do I have to explain everything to you?!
No, I'm not going to. Figure it out. Reply when you have the right answer.
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"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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October 23, 2003, 22:37
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Just who do you think you're fooling?
Here's a tip: You're nowhere near being the brightest person on these boards, so don't think you can try to pull elementary stuff like this without nearly everyone seeing what you're trying to do, and laughing at you.
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October 23, 2003, 22:53
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Just who do you think you're fooling?
Here's a tip: You're nowhere near being the brightest person on these boards, so don't think you can try to pull elementary stuff like this without nearly everyone seeing what you're trying to do, and laughing at you.
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It is elementary, Asher, and you're missing it. 
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"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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October 23, 2003, 23:05
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Asher - Why don't you **** off back to wrecking the OT forum instead of spoiling the mac forum here.
You just come here to troll and post yet more BS. Piss off.
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October 23, 2003, 23:07
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It is elementary, Asher, and you're missing it.
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Because it doesn't exist. 
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Asher - Why don't you **** off back to wrecking the OT forum instead of spoiling the mac forum here.
You just come here to troll and post yet more BS. Piss off.
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I see you haven't quite figured out how to use the ignore list yet...
I come here because my name routinely comes up here in a rather negative light.
I figure if you guys are treating it as an off-topic, and then take it one step further when you constantly discuss technology here, you should expect off-topic technology geeks to take interest.
If you'd all like to continue your circle jerk with no more realitiy checks, take your spam to MacRumours.com or MacAddict.com or some other fan site.
Otherwise put up and shut up.
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October 23, 2003, 23:08
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And I must say, everything was quite civil until you arrived.
Perhaps it is you that is the problem?
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October 23, 2003, 23:19
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Can't deny what? iPods appeal to A&F, Diesel-jeans type people, and Mac heads. It's obvious.
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Heh, can't deny that, but you stepped around my point: That Apple made a successful product.
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You can restrict what computers can play them, for how long they can be played, how many times they can be played, how many times they can be burned, how many times you can transfer them to another computer or device, etc.
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I wasn't clear: how does Windows set up the FairPlay on WMA files? What are the restrictions/allowances?
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Companies that do that obviously have crap beta testing techniques, as well.
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Can't against argue that.
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October 23, 2003, 23:25
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Heh, can't deny that, but you stepped around my point: That Apple made a successful product.
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I wasn't clear: how does Windows set up the FairPlay on WMA files? What are the restrictions/allowances?
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Windows doesn't set up DRM on the WMA files.
The restrictions/allowances vary depending on the music store you choose. There's a variety of stores to choose from, rather than just one like on the Mac.
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October 23, 2003, 23:26
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Jesus, we need a mod.
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