Thread Tools
Old October 22, 2003, 18:10   #1
Space05us
King
 
Space05us's Avatar
 
Local Time: 23:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,709
Hearts of Iron
overrated. Im playing a game as Brazil right now. Ive taken over most of South America, but my dissent was at 53% so I decided to settle for most instead of all. Ive joined the allies, and I have an army in north africa waiting for more transports to be built so I can land in Nationalist Spain. So far I have met NO resistance to my conquests, its been kinda lame.

when does the challange start?
Space05us is offline  
Old October 22, 2003, 18:15   #2
General Ludd
NationStates
Emperor
 
General Ludd's Avatar
 
Local Time: 11:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Minion of the Dominion
Posts: 4,607
When you land in nationalist spain.

Don't expect an action packed game playing as a south american country... it's WW2 game, remember? most of the fighting is in europe and the pacific.
__________________
Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse

Do It Ourselves
General Ludd is offline  
Old October 22, 2003, 18:47   #3
Datajack Franit
NationStates
King
 
Datajack Franit's Avatar
 
Local Time: 12:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Italia
Posts: 2,036
What's Hearts of Iron?
__________________
I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

Asher on molly bloom
Datajack Franit is offline  
Old October 22, 2003, 19:39   #4
Space05us
King
 
Space05us's Avatar
 
Local Time: 23:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,709
After steamrolling over Nationalist Spain with a 10 Inf Div and 2 Cav Div army I sped foward to the German border and fell flat on my ass after running into a wall of steel.

I think Im going to have to research more into aeroplanes and tanks.

A question:
Why when I was the one who conquered Nationalist Spain did Great Britain get control of thier territory, and why wont they annex it!?


Im playing as a South American country so I can get a grasp for the game, but I guess I really shouldnt judge it until after Ive played as a major power, eh?
Space05us is offline  
Old October 22, 2003, 20:26   #5
Main_Brain
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameACDG The Free Drones
King
 
Main_Brain's Avatar
 
Local Time: 13:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Tyskland
Posts: 1,952
Check wheter Nat. Spain still has some Colonies in Africa/Isles in mediterrean.
British Forces occupied it as they are in Allies with you and they 'prolly attacked with you.

With you expansionist behaviour Ally's normally declare War as early as 1937. Latest Patch? ;=)
__________________
Stopped waiting for Duke Nukem
Main_Brain is offline  
Old October 22, 2003, 23:36   #6
Space05us
King
 
Space05us's Avatar
 
Local Time: 23:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,709
They still had a colony in Africa, but it shouldnt make a difference you only need a country's capital and the majority of thier territories to annex them. Also, when I was "liberating" the Iberian peninsula I was the only ally with forces there.

Funny thing, the US, Japan, and Italy never joined in the war and USSR took over all of Germany by October 1942. After that the "war" was over.
Space05us is offline  
Old October 23, 2003, 01:48   #7
Harovan
staff
PtWDG Gathering StormPtWDG2 Monty PythonC4DG Gathering Storm
Civ4: Colonization Content Editor
 
Local Time: 12:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 11,117
There's a Paradox games forum, btw, which covers HoI too. You may want to share your experiences there.
Harovan is offline  
Old October 23, 2003, 02:23   #8
Dale
Emperor
 
Dale's Avatar
 
Local Time: 21:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 3,944
Check the Spanish provinces left and see if there's any victory points for holding them (I believe one in Africa does). Also, you were part of the allies before attacking Spain? Yes, the you'll find your supply line ran through Gibralter (English) and thus whoever supplies you gains the territory.
Dale is offline  
Old October 23, 2003, 03:27   #9
Jamski
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameAlpha Centauri PBEMACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Cybernetic Consciousness
Deity
 
Jamski's Avatar
 
Local Time: 11:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Location: lol ED&D is officially full PvP LOL
Posts: 13,229
53% Dissent!!!!!! That's what happens when you decare war on your neighbours without a good reason. You do realise that your industry is running at 47% efficieny now, right? (100-53) I've never let my dissent get higher than 20% before enterting "panic mode" and moving all spending to luxurie goods for a couple of months.

Yeah, if you attack anyone from an allied territory then the territory you get goes to your allies. Better to make your own beachhead somewhere else - but then you need to set up your own supply convoys (and oil if you're using tanks and mech)

-Jam
__________________
1) The crappy metaspam is an affront to the true manner of the artform. - Dauphin
That's like trying to overninja a ninja when you aren't a mammal. CAN'T BE DONE. - Kassi on doublecrossing Ljube-ljcvetko
Check out the ALL NEW Galactic Overlord Website for v2.0 and the Napoleonic Overlord Website or even the Galactic Captians Website Thanks Geocities!
Taht 'ventisular link be woo to clyck.
Jamski is offline  
Old October 23, 2003, 08:24   #10
Nikolai
Apolyton UniversityC4DG The Mercenary TeamCiv4 SP Democracy Game
Deity
 
Nikolai's Avatar
 
Local Time: 13:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Bergen, Norway
Posts: 13,800
Which patch are you on? To take most of SA and not getting steamrolled by the Allies ASAP does sound like an old patch to me... But if you think the game is too easy, you should try C.O.R.E. or the Stony Road to War. Both can be found at the official forum.
__________________
Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God. -Isaiah 41:10
The LORD your God is with you, he is mighty to save. He will take great delight in you, he will quiet you with his love, he will rejoice over you with singing. - Zephaniah 3:17
Get The List for cIV here!
Nikolai is offline  
Old October 23, 2003, 16:35   #11
Space05us
King
 
Space05us's Avatar
 
Local Time: 23:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,709
Quote:
53% Dissent!!!!!! That's what happens when you decare war on your neighbours without a good reason. You do realise that your industry is running at 47% efficieny now, right? (100-53) I've never let my dissent get higher than 20% before enterting "panic mode" and moving all spending to luxurie goods for a couple of months.

Yeah, if you attack anyone from an allied territory then the territory you get goes to your allies. Better to make your own beachhead somewhere else - but then you need to set up your own supply convoys (and oil if you're using tanks and mech)
it was my first long term game of HoI so it was the first time I realised my dissent had anything to do with my industrial productivity.

Damn it! Gibralter was Spanish when I landed on it, I hadnt intended to give back to the Brits


Quote:
There's a Paradox games forum, btw, which covers HoI too. You may want to share your experiences there.
pffft!! How dare you try to turn me away from Apolyton! you, sir, are a traitor!
Space05us is offline  
Old October 23, 2003, 18:06   #12
Jamski
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameAlpha Centauri PBEMACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Cybernetic Consciousness
Deity
 
Jamski's Avatar
 
Local Time: 11:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Location: lol ED&D is officially full PvP LOL
Posts: 13,229
Quote:
it was my first long term game of HoI so it was the first time I realised my dissent had anything to do with my industrial productivity.
Heh, my first game, playing as Germany, I got beaten by Denmark

-Jam
__________________
1) The crappy metaspam is an affront to the true manner of the artform. - Dauphin
That's like trying to overninja a ninja when you aren't a mammal. CAN'T BE DONE. - Kassi on doublecrossing Ljube-ljcvetko
Check out the ALL NEW Galactic Overlord Website for v2.0 and the Napoleonic Overlord Website or even the Galactic Captians Website Thanks Geocities!
Taht 'ventisular link be woo to clyck.
Jamski is offline  
Old October 23, 2003, 18:53   #13
Dale
Emperor
 
Dale's Avatar
 
Local Time: 21:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 3,944
Quote:
Originally posted by Space05us


it was my first long term game of HoI so it was the first time I realised my dissent had anything to do with my industrial productivity.

Damn it! Gibralter was Spanish when I landed on it, I hadnt intended to give back to the Brits




pffft!! How dare you try to turn me away from Apolyton! you, sir, are a traitor!
If England was at war with Spain, and they took Gibralter, then if you DOW Spain and join the allies, remember that if you take Gibralter it's classed as "liberation", because England wouldn't have been annexed by someone. Therefore, the liberation returns it to England, your supply line runs through England, and England gets any territory you control.

To annex a nation, you have to control the capital province + every province with victory points. Spain has a province in Africa with victory points, so that's why you couldn't annex them.

Hope that helps.

BTW, to take Spain out while gaining their territory, come in from the top and convoy supplies in.
Dale is offline  
Old October 23, 2003, 20:07   #14
ravagon
Scenario League / Civ2-Creation
King
 
Local Time: 19:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,515
Quote:
Originally posted by Dale

BTW, to take Spain out while gaining their territory, come in from the top and convoy supplies in.
Exactly. If you land too close to Gibraltar's supply grid (within a province or two - its a bit hard to tell sometimes) then the liberated territory goes to the UK.
Similarly if you're with the allies and you're 'liberating' China - don't land too close to Nipponese-occupied Hong Kong.

Of course, if Spain had gone Republican and actually joined the allies before being overrun by Germany then any of their territory you liberate will revert to (Rep) Spain.

If you do join the allies then you probably want to do it earlier (if you can deal with the Market effect from being at war) so that you get the benefits of their research.
ravagon is offline  
Old October 24, 2003, 08:03   #15
Space05us
King
 
Space05us's Avatar
 
Local Time: 23:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,709
I just played a game as Brazil, with the 9mb patch ( why cant they release games when they are done developing them? ) Anywho....I was doing my thing, developing Brazil, and keeping peace with my neighbors as I had just learned in the game right before that the Allies arent fond of expansionists. Then Spain enters a civil war!! I think yo myself yippeee! a chance to expand and not be noticed! So I declare war on Nationalist Spain thinking to myself, "Yeah I'll show the Allies what it means to help a friend in need!" Then about two months later Germany and Italy get a stick up thier rear ends and decide to declare war on me. Im sitting there thinking, "oh well all the better, now WWII can start earlier" Well I was wrong. The Allies acting in an ironicaly, yet unexpectedly historical fashion, ignore my cries for help and refuse to allow me into thier alliance. By the end of '40 Brazil was down to one territory.


to make a not so long story even shorter, I got the patch, the game is better.
Space05us is offline  
Old October 25, 2003, 11:12   #16
Space05us
King
 
Space05us's Avatar
 
Local Time: 23:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 2,709


this game is great (after the patch, before the patch its crap)

Imagine, if you will, 2,400 Canadians storming Tokyo, and eventualy securing the entire home island of Japan for the glory of Canada!
Space05us is offline  
Old October 26, 2003, 19:43   #17
Havard
Warlord
 
Havard's Avatar
 
Local Time: 12:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 121
Quote:
Originally posted by Space05us

pffft!! How dare you try to turn me away from Apolyton! you, sir, are a traitor!
I think maybe he was referring to the Paradox subforum here at Apolyton...

Edit: http://apolyton.net/forums/forumdisp...s=&forumid=124
__________________
--
Editing EU2? Get the Exhaustive Bible of Event Scripting, Scenario Editing Guide and more...
Hacking HoI? Visit Havards HoI Hacking Haven!
Havard is offline  
Old October 26, 2003, 21:25   #18
lord of the mark
Deity
 
lord of the mark's Avatar
 
Local Time: 07:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Virginia
Posts: 11,160
Quote:
Originally posted by Space05us
I just played a game as Brazil, with the 9mb patch ( why cant they release games when they are done developing them? ) Anywho....I was doing my thing, developing Brazil, and keeping peace with my neighbors as I had just learned in the game right before that the Allies arent fond of expansionists. Then Spain enters a civil war!! I think yo myself yippeee! a chance to expand and not be noticed! So I declare war on Nationalist Spain thinking to myself, "Yeah I'll show the Allies what it means to help a friend in need!" Then about two months later Germany and Italy get a stick up thier rear ends and decide to declare war on me. Im sitting there thinking, "oh well all the better, now WWII can start earlier" Well I was wrong. The Allies acting in an ironicaly, yet unexpectedly historical fashion, ignore my cries for help and refuse to allow me into thier alliance. By the end of '40 Brazil was down to one territory.


to make a not so long story even shorter, I got the patch, the game is better.

Unexpected historical? The US (granted, not yet an ally in 1940) watches quietly while the Germans conquer Brazil? Jesus Christ and General Jackson (or James Monroe, in this case) ! HOI may be fun, but I thought the patch had fixed some of the unrealism. But then again "they" do say, "you want realism, dont play as a minor power"
__________________
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
lord of the mark is offline  
Old October 27, 2003, 08:13   #19
Kropotkin
Emperor
 
Kropotkin's Avatar
 
Local Time: 13:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Ivory tower
Posts: 3,511
Quote:
"you want realism, dont play as a minor power"
Damn right. I once lost a game as Finland. As most finnish poster here would tell you; That could never happen!
__________________
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer
In GAIS we trust!
Kropotkin is offline  
Old October 27, 2003, 08:26   #20
Jamski
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameAlpha Centauri PBEMACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Cybernetic Consciousness
Deity
 
Jamski's Avatar
 
Local Time: 11:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Location: lol ED&D is officially full PvP LOL
Posts: 13,229
Where is Finland anyway? Isn't it part of Norway, like Sweden is? Or is it semi-independant like Scotland/England?

-Jam
__________________
1) The crappy metaspam is an affront to the true manner of the artform. - Dauphin
That's like trying to overninja a ninja when you aren't a mammal. CAN'T BE DONE. - Kassi on doublecrossing Ljube-ljcvetko
Check out the ALL NEW Galactic Overlord Website for v2.0 and the Napoleonic Overlord Website or even the Galactic Captians Website Thanks Geocities!
Taht 'ventisular link be woo to clyck.
Jamski is offline  
Old October 27, 2003, 08:32   #21
General Ludd
NationStates
Emperor
 
General Ludd's Avatar
 
Local Time: 11:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Minion of the Dominion
Posts: 4,607
Finland is Scandinavia's scrotum.

__________________
Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse

Do It Ourselves
General Ludd is offline  
Old October 27, 2003, 08:37   #22
Jamski
Alpha Centauri Democracy GameAlpha Centauri PBEMACDG Planet University of TechnologyACDG The Cybernetic Consciousness
Deity
 
Jamski's Avatar
 
Local Time: 11:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: May 2002
Location: lol ED&D is officially full PvP LOL
Posts: 13,229
Heh, ruin a perfectly good troll, would you?

/me throws a dead goat at Oswald *

Take that!

-Jam
__________________
1) The crappy metaspam is an affront to the true manner of the artform. - Dauphin
That's like trying to overninja a ninja when you aren't a mammal. CAN'T BE DONE. - Kassi on doublecrossing Ljube-ljcvetko
Check out the ALL NEW Galactic Overlord Website for v2.0 and the Napoleonic Overlord Website or even the Galactic Captians Website Thanks Geocities!
Taht 'ventisular link be woo to clyck.
Jamski is offline  
Old October 27, 2003, 09:49   #23
Kropotkin
Emperor
 
Kropotkin's Avatar
 
Local Time: 13:06
Local Date: November 2, 2010
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Ivory tower
Posts: 3,511
Finland isn't really a part of scandinavia. [/Besserwisser-mode]
__________________
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer
In GAIS we trust!
Kropotkin is offline  
 

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:06.


Design by Vjacheslav Trushkin, color scheme by ColorizeIt!.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Apolyton Civilization Site | Copyright © The Apolyton Team